NOS question

[quickstang1983]

Can you mix NX solenoids with a NOS brand cheater plate??
I wanna make sure of this before I piece things together. Thanks, Jake

[red347lx]

i dont think it would matter.

[THOR84GT]

check orifface size for a starting tune then you should be careful for flow rates on each solenoids vs plate don't go below min rated plate shot cause you could end up with very uneven distribution(amount of holes in plate bleeding nitrous pressure off before it gets all the way across the plate) I talked to wilson proflow about this and thats where I came up with this info so I am not just pulling it out of my ass.

[quickstang1983]

check orifface size for a starting tune then you should be careful for flow rates on each solenoids vs plate don't go below min rated plate shot cause you could end up with very uneven distribution(amount of holes in plate bleeding nitrous pressure off before it gets all the way across the plate) I talked to wilson proflow about this and thats where I came up with this info so I am not just pulling it out of my ass.

Thanks. I'm not sure what to do now damnit.

[THOR84GT]

pick it up run it and just err on the side of a little bit fat

[quickstang1983]

I'm just gonna hold off for a while I guess. I should probably just wait till next year before I put any more money into my car. I have the nitrous itch now which is the bad part LOL! I'm an addict and I don't even have a kit yet!

[nickgregg2007]

I'm just gonna hold off for a while I guess. I should probably just wait till next year before I put any more money into my car. I have the nitrous itch now which is the bad part LOL! I'm an addict and I don't even have a kit yet!

just do it, quit comin up with excuses, you know you wanna spray the car so just do it!

[quickstang1983]

just do it, quit comin up with excuses, you know you wanna spray the car so just do it!

I do wanna spray it, but I don't wanna be too stupid with the money spending right now. I owe some money to some people. I don't need my legs broken LOL!

[nickgregg2007]

I do wanna spray it, but I don't wanna be too stupid with the money spending right now. I owe some money to some people. I don't need my legs broken LOL!

jus take a couple bux outta each check and save up for it. im just givin you a hard time, but ya need to quit worryin so damn much! :buds::bondage:

[quickstang1983]

jus take a couple bux outta each check and save up for it. im just givin you a hard time, but ya need to quit worryin so damn much! :buds::bondage:

Any extra cash I get I have to pay back to my parents'. I'm not worrying, I just want the spray like a mofo!!


My dad was gonna try and get the powdercoating gun working right and then i'll contact you if it works ok. :thumbsup:

[nickgregg2007]

My dad was gonna try and get the powdercoating gun working right and then i'll contact you if it works ok. :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]

ok cool!

[THOR84GT]

Jake if you are just going to wait and save up I suggest using an edelbrock kit. They seem to be a little nicer for the same money as other kits I've used in the past.

[johnquick302]

Jake if you are just going to wait and save up I suggest using an edelbrock kit. They seem to be a little nicer for the same money as other kits I've used in the past.

i know 2 people with edelbrock plate kits and they both burned shit up, they both went to a big shot plate and now run fine. dont know if it was a freak thing or what, but it happened on 2 diff cars i know of

[NOSBigShot]

we have a nx kit on jordans car the tune up is a lot different than a nos kit,it has a smaller fuel jet than nitrouis jet,so it needs more fuel pressure,they say 10psi is safe 8 is very lean.i run my nos kit at 6psi and it seems safe.

[THOR84GT]

yeah joe didn't know thats what that kit called for I set jordan's pressure at 6 1/2-7psi that was flowing pressure too

[quickstang1983]

Thanks for all the tips. I'm sure i'll have more questions for you when/if I ever get the kit on my car. Thanks guys.

[jordanbmx]

yeah joe didn't know thats what that kit called for I set jordan's pressure at 6 1/2-7psi that was flowing pressure too

yea we up'd it to 8 1/2

[THOR84GT]

that would be the reason I don't care for nx plate kits they change the jetting around and fuel pressure around too much from every other manufacture

[jordanbmx]

that would be the reason I don't care for nx plate kits they change the jetting around and fuel pressure around too much from every other manufacture

yea im sure its for that purpose though so their stuff is one off and so you have to buy their stuff

[quickstang1983]

we have a nx kit on jordans car the tune up is a lot different than a nos kit,it has a smaller fuel jet than nitrouis jet,so it needs more fuel pressure,they say 10psi is safe 8 is very lean.i run my nos kit at 6psi and it seems safe.

So I should be setting my pressure at around 6psi???

[NOSBigShot]

So I should be setting my pressure at around 6psi???

what works for me may not work for you,start a little high and come down.

[quickstang1983]

what works for me may not work for you,start a little high and come down.

Thanks Joe.

[THOR84GT]

I usually run at 6.5 to 7 psi

[johnquick302]

Thanks Joe.

what kit do you have and what does the plug look like? the plug tells no lies. you have to check the plug or your just gonna go in circles.

[johnquick302]

I usually run at 6.5 to 7 psi

with what kit?

[quickstang1983]

what kit do you have and what does the plug look like? the plug tells no lies. you have to check the plug or your just gonna go in circles.

I have a super powershot kit with a cheater plate. I haven't made a pass yet though. I was gonna start out at 7 psi and work from there.

[85notch]

check your pm's!

[quickstang1983]

PM returned!

[quickstang1983]

Well, I sprayed my car for the first time on saturday. I found out it was running a tad lean. The corner plugs showed some slight speckling, not much but still. The inside plugs showed no speckling. The ground straps were a tad on the white side (but luckily not burned off). The whole strap all the way down to the rim of the plug was white(ish). Total timing was at 30 degrees. Fuel pressure was set at 6 lbs. I upped the pressure to 7 but have yet to make another pass. Is 7 lbs too big of an increase for the way I have it set up or is that on the right track? I figure if its too rich I can go back down to 6.5 lbs of pressure. I've heard that small increases in fuel pressure can make a big change but I think it was pretty lean at 6 lbs.

Here is a pic of the way I have it set up....(Don't make fun of it LOL!, I'm new to this stuff and am on a tight budget. I know a separate fuel pump for the nitrous would be the right (best) way to do it but I figured this would work for now until i can buy everything for another fuel system.)

[THOR84GT]

what pump are you using?

[quickstang1983]

what pump are you using?

Mallory comp 140.

[THOR84GT]

Mallory comp 140.

not big enough at all believe me I know had one on my car trying it as a single pump powering both systems it doesn't have the pressure and volume to over come the demand while being challenged with the g-forces of a dead dig on spray. you can do the volume flow test while the car is still and it will be fine but once you add in the fact it has to overcome the g-forces it cannot keep up.:nono::nono::893grenad

[jordanbmx]

mine has the mallory comp 140

[nickgregg2007]

Mine has the product engineering 500 pump

[THOR84GT]

Mine has the product engineering 500 pump

not a problem. I have an a2000. I ran a mallory 140 for a while but had to run it with a holley blue for the nitrous. the mallory was just not enough for both motor and spray tried it kept melting plugs and blowing head gaskets went back to the dual fuel system and didn't have a problem again, that was on a 302 with highports. I have a much larger pump and feed line went from -8 to -10 feed and I haven't had a problem yet (knock on wood)

[quickstang1983]

not big enough at all believe me I know had one on my car trying it as a single pump powering both systems it doesn't have the pressure and volume to over come the demand while being challenged with the g-forces of a dead dig on spray. you can do the volume flow test while the car is still and it will be fine but once you add in the fact it has to overcome the g-forces it cannot keep up.:nono::nono::893grenad

Greentrunk runs the same pump as mine. His seems to work ok? I wanted to see how much gas it could flow so I unhooked the fuel line going into the y-block and put it in a 2 liter pop bottle and turned the pump on. The 2 liter was full rather quickly to say the least. My first test run spraying was lean but not too bad. If it still looks lean after my next test run after the fuel pressure increase, what pump would you suggest running to feed both?? I've heard of people running a holley blue for both with a 150 shot and never having a problem. I've been told that a 150 shot is around the max for the way I have it set up. If I had the money I would have two pumps for sure but I just worked with what I had ya' know. I do appreciate you trying to help. I don't want to sound like I don't believe you or anything. I would just like to make what I have work if possible.

[86t-topcapri]

Greentrunk runs the same pump as mine. His seems to work ok? I wanted to see how much gas it could flow so I unhooked the fuel line going into the y-block and put it in a 2 liter pop bottle and turned the pump on. The 2 liter was full rather quickly to say the least. My first test run spraying was lean but not too bad. If it still looks lean after my next test run after the fuel pressure increase, what pump would you suggest running to feed both?? I've heard of people running a holley blue for both with a 150 shot and never having a problem. I've been told that a 150 shot is around the max for the way I have it set up. If I had the money I would have two pumps for sure but I just worked with what I had ya' know. I do appreciate you trying to help. I don't want to sound like I don't believe you or anything. I would just like to make what I have work if possible.

and how many head gaskets has he blown this year. I hope you're not running cometics.

[Mr Mach 1]

Greentrunk runs the same pump as mine. His seems to work ok? I wanted to see how much gas it could flow so I unhooked the fuel line going into the y-block and put it in a 2 liter pop bottle and turned the pump on. The 2 liter was full rather quickly to say the least. My first test run spraying was lean but not too bad. If it still looks lean after my next test run after the fuel pressure increase, what pump would you suggest running to feed both?? I've heard of people running a holley blue for both with a 150 shot and never having a problem. I've been told that a 150 shot is around the max for the way I have it set up. If I had the money I would have two pumps for sure but I just worked with what I had ya' know. I do appreciate you trying to help. I don't want to sound like I don't believe you or anything. I would just like to make what I have work if possible.

Just add a pump with the 140 and be done with it. Don't take no chances unless you have the money for a new motor.

[quickstang1983]

and how many head gaskets has he blown this year. I hope you're not running cometics.

I think he blew one head gasket during a nitrous run this year. Supernotch90 blew a gasket too and he has a dedicated pump for his nitrous. Yes, I do have cometics on mine. They are the MLS gaskets which are almost $100 bucks a piece. They should be a bit more durable. If I had the money I would have another fuel system for the nitrous but right now I don't unfortunately.

[johnquick302]

i wouldnt be too worried about it to be honest, you got to put fuel through a .070ish hole. as long as the fuel pressure is constant i think youll be find with that lil of a shot. if you had a fogger or something id say different. but specals on the porcelin does not mean its lean. you have to look down in the porceling to see that. and the timing strap on the plug to see what it needs for timing. specs can be just oil on the plug or even carbon buring up.

when you checked the plug did you shut the motor off at the end of pass and check it, or did you drive it back to the pits then check? were they brand new plugs when you did this?

[greentrunk]

and how many head gaskets has he blown this year. I hope you're not running cometics.

i blew one on spray and that had nothing to do with fuel, i had very weak valve springs and i think that was the problem, the valves were not opening and shutting properly and boom it shot out a gasket.....the cylinder pressure had to go somewhere.......the last time it popped it was on motor so this is irrelevant but i think the gasket was stamped improperly

[quickstang1983]

i wouldnt be too worried about it to be honest, you got to put fuel through a .070ish hole. as long as the fuel pressure is constant i think youll be find with that lil of a shot. if you had a fogger or something id say different. but specals on the porcelin does not mean its lean. you have to look down in the porceling to see that. and the timing strap on the plug to see what it needs for timing. specs can be just oil on the plug or even carbon buring up.

when you checked the plug did you shut the motor off at the end of pass and check it, or did you drive it back to the pits then check? were they brand new plugs when you did this?

I made a pass by my parents' house then pulled it in thier driveway and shut it down. They were brand new plugs. I drove around the block to get the car warmed up and then made a pass. Some of the specks were carbon i'm sure. Only the corner cylinders had some specks. The inside cylinders did not. The timing mark on the ground strap was just about even with the rim of the plug. It was maybe just a hair above the rim. I have it at 30 degrees. I figured if it was really lean it would pop and sputter or not make good power like it should. It did feel like it was making GOOD power. I know i'm taking a chance with it set up the way I have it but if it can be made to work ok I'll run it like it is until I can afford to get a dedicated system just for the nitrous. Thanks for the input, -Jake