ACLU supporting your rights or are they?

[L98Terror]

We should remember the way the ACLU works to get their agenda into law. They have never taken a single issue to the public and worked through the democratic system of voting. Rather, they find a sympathetic liberal activist judge to make law from the bench.


Here are some issues the ACLU supports:

Legalization of homosexual marriage
Legalization of child pornography
Legalization of prostitution
Legalization of live sex acts in public
Legalization of sex between adults and children
The ACLU defends the North American Man Boy Love Association whose motto is "sex before 8 or it is too late."
Removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance
Removing our motto "In God We Trust" from our money
Forcing the Boy Scouts to accept homosexual scout leaders
Removing prayer from school and public events
Abortion on demand, without parental consent
Legalizing illicit drugs
Physician assisted suicide
Partial-birth abortion
Mandatory sex education
Legalized polygamy
Tax supported profane art


Here is what the ACLU is against:
Parental notification for minors having abortion
School vouchers
Filters on public library computers
Student led prayer in schools
Nativity scenes on public property
Sex offender registries
Broadcast decency laws
"Choose Life" license plates
Tax exemptions for churches
Posting of the Ten Commandments of public property
Prayers before high school football games
Parental consent laws
"Abstinence before marriage" sex education







When you here the ACLU is involved make sure you know what your supporting

[Sean124]

We should remember the way the ACLU works to get their agenda into law. They have never taken a single issue to the public and worked through the democratic system of voting. Rather, they find a sympathetic liberal activist judge to make law from the bench.


Here are some issues the ACLU supports:

Legalization of homosexual marriage
Legalization of child pornography
Legalization of prostitution
Legalization of live sex acts in public
Legalization of sex between adults and children
The ACLU defends the North American Man Boy Love Association whose motto is "sex before 8 or it is too late."
Removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance
Removing our motto "In God We Trust" from our money
Forcing the Boy Scouts to accept homosexual scout leaders
Removing prayer from school and public events
Abortion on demand, without parental consent
Legalizing illicit drugs
Physician assisted suicide
Partial-birth abortion
Mandatory sex education
Legalized polygamy
Tax supported profane art


Here is what the ACLU is against:
Parental notification for minors having abortion
School vouchers
Filters on public library computers
Student led prayer in schools
Nativity scenes on public property
Sex offender registries
Broadcast decency laws
"Choose Life" license plates
Tax exemptions for churches
Posting of the Ten Commandments of public property
Prayers before high school football games
Parental consent laws
"Abstinence before marriage" sex education







When you here the ACLU is involved make sure you know what your supporting

under God was not added to the plegde until the Mid 1950's during the macarthy years due to the big soviet scare. Up till then it was a secular pledge don;t forget it.

here is the history of the pledge

http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm

[L98Terror]

under God was not added to the plegde until the Mid 1950's during the macarthy years due to the big soviet scare. Up till then it was a secular pledge don;t forget it.

here is the history of the pledge

http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm


And your point is:dontknow: I'm just stating what they support and don't support. I dissagree with them on most points but not all.

[Sean124]

And your point is:dontknow: I'm just stating what they support and don't support. I dissagree with them on most points but not all.

Well you posted the list and i picked a topic at random that has to do with the Core of the ACLU.they are fighting Relgious intrusion into goverment. I would be OK with a few constitutional amendments on a few items on that list including Age of Sexual consent.

[QUASAR]

"The ACLU defends the North American Man Boy Love Association whose motto is "sex before 8 or it is too late."

Man Boy Love Association? What the F***?????? I can't stop laughing. is that real? oomg :lol:

[QUASAR]

and no I'm not doing a search about it while at work....

[stalked_R/T]

and no I'm not doing a search about it while at work....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association

[L98Terror]

and no I'm not doing a search about it while at work....
:roll:

[L98Terror]

I would be OK with a few constitutional amendments on a few items on that list including Age of Sexual consent.


Your not talking about Legalization of sex between adults and children
The ACLU defends the North American Man Boy Love Association whose motto is "sex before 8 or it is too late."
are you:dontknow:

[Sean124]

Your not talking about are you:dontknow:

No i am reffering to the fact that at some point in time to elimnate predatory sexual offenders we need a comprehensive amendment that deifnes a Reasonable Age of consent and boundrys thein. Would stop all the haggling over a dead issue (see Bullshit electioneering issue) . Also i found the ACLU parts about the said ACLU portion of the above list. Qouted directly to save time typing





The American Civil Liberties Union stepped in to defend NAMBLA as a free speech matter and won a dismissal based on the fact that NAMBLA is organized as an unincorporated association, not a corporation. John Reinstein, the director of the ACLU Massachusetts, said that although NAMBLA "may extol conduct which is currently illegal", there was nothing on its website that "advocated or incited the commission of any illegal acts, including murder or rape". [24]The Curleys continued the suit as a wrongful death action against individual NAMBLA members, some of whom were active in the group's leadership.[21]

[82hatch]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association

Why would anyone back an organization that is for this? That's just unbelievable.

[Sean124]

Why would anyone back an organization that is for this? That's just unbelievable.


Free speech issues. Rights don't mean anything if everbody can't use them. The club being represented is disgusting to say the least but they do have a right to express their opinion no matter how gross or ludicrus it is.


Action taken by the ACLU

The American Civil Liberties Union stepped in to defend NAMBLA as a free speech matter and won a dismissal based on the fact that NAMBLA is organized as an unincorporated association, not a corporation. John Reinstein, the director of the ACLU Massachusetts, said that although NAMBLA "may extol conduct which is currently illegal", there was nothing on its website that "advocated or incited the commission of any illegal acts, including murder or rape". [24]The Curleys continued the suit as a wrongful death action against individual NAMBLA members, some of whom were active in the group's leadership.[21]

[mikeg]

Free speech issues. Rights don't mean anything if everbody can't use them. The club being represented is disgusting to say the least but they do have a right to express their opinion no matter how gross or ludicrus it is.

I guess the reason I am disturbed by this is because they chose to side with nambla. They should have saved some of their integrity and made them fight their own fight, IMO.

[82hatch]

Free speech issues. Rights don't mean anything if everbody can't use them. The club being represented is disgusting to say the least but they do have a right to express their opinion no matter how gross or ludicrus it is.


Action taken by the ACLU

The American Civil Liberties Union stepped in to defend NAMBLA as a free speech matter and won a dismissal based on the fact that NAMBLA is organized as an unincorporated association, not a corporation. John Reinstein, the director of the ACLU Massachusetts, said that although NAMBLA "may extol conduct which is currently illegal", there was nothing on its website that "advocated or incited the commission of any illegal acts, including murder or rape". [24]The Curleys continued the suit as a wrongful death action against individual NAMBLA members, some of whom were active in the group's leadership.[21]

Sorry, I don't agree with you. Any group business that supports that kind of crap I want nothing to do with nor will I support a business that endorses that. Maybe it's because I have kids but that's just plain wrong. Sounds like they found a "gray area" and used that as a defense.

[Sean124]

I guess the reason I am disturbed by this is because they chose to side with nambla. They should have saved some of their integrity and made them fight their own fight, IMO.


Heres how the system works today. If you say something everyone agrees with then you are fine. the minute you disagree with someone for whatever reason and your thrown in jail not for actions you've taken but maybe an opinion or idealogy it become a gray area ???? affraid not. If everyone can;t use there rights as granted in the constituion then the document has no meaning. I personally would not defend NAMBLA but thats becuase i have serious objections to who and what they ae as a group. I will not condemn the ACLU however for only stepping in on one portion of the defense for a prosecution that was based entirely in a discusion/speech. no matter how repulsive i find NAMBLA someone has to make sure that our rights to freespeech no matter how overwhelmingly gross the topic maybe is defended.

Its either that or if we let these rights errode they will fade away fast. And please do not try to take the moral high road here. Please seperate free speech issues from actions taken. Personally if i cuaght one of my nieces or nephews talking to a pedophile i'd cut off his balls with a large dull knife and shove them up his ass.

[Sean124]

Sorry, I don't agree with you. Any group business that supports that kind of crap I want nothing to do with nor will I support a business that endorses that. Maybe it's because I have kids but that's just plain wrong. Sounds like they found a "gray area" and used that as a defense.


Sounds like you miss the point of the post sorry you can;t see the bigger picture. Free speech has to apply to everyone or it apply to no one.

[82hatch]

Heres how the system works today. If you say something everyone agrees with then you are fine. the minute you disagree with someone for whatever reason and your thrown in jail not for actions you've taken but maybe an opinion or idealogy it become a gray area ???? affraid not. If everyone can;t use there rights as granted in the constituion then the document has no meaning. I personally would not defend NAMBLA but thats becuase i have serious objections to who and what they ae as a group. I will not condemn the ACLU however for only stepping in on one portion of the defense for a prosecution that was based entirely in a discusion/speech. no matter how repulsive i find NAMBLA someone has to make sure that our rights to freespeech no matter how overwhelmingly gross the topic maybe is defended.

Its either that or if we let these rights errode they will fade away fast. And please do not try to take the moral high road here. Please seperate free speech issues from actions taken. Personally if i cuaght one of my nieces or nephews talking to a pedophile i'd cut off his balls with a large dull knife and shove them up his ass.


They actually want to make this stuff legal:

Legalization of homosexual marriage
Legalization of child pornography
Legalization of prostitution
Legalization of live sex acts in public
Legalization of sex between adults and children

Think that's more than free speech. You support them you're supporting that-period! Don't have a problem with people that have different view points than mine but that's WAY out there and just plain wrong. That's more than just talking about it-that is condoning it! Sorry I won't support the ACLU-not in this or any lifetime.;)

[Sean124]

They actually want to make this stuff legal:

Legalization of homosexual marriage
Legalization of child pornography
Legalization of prostitution
Legalization of live sex acts in public
Legalization of sex between adults and children

Think that's more than free speech. You support them you're supporting that. That's more than just talking about it-that is condoning it! Sorry I won't support the ACLU-not in this or any lifetime.;)


ALmost everything in that claim has to do with NAMBLA.try to focus on the free speech issues. Secondly those are moral debates. I am not getting into a moraltiy debate. I am simply stating the reasons behind why the ACLU might defend such an orginazation.

Take this example. You love tamatoes. Tamatoes are outlawed becuase they are red. You form a group to legalize tomatoes. You are arrested and thrown in jail becuase you support the legalization of Tamatoes. the ACLU comes to defend your right to not only protest the illegalization of tamatoes but helps to arm you with tools help you get tomatoes legalized becuase as an american citizen you feel its well within your right to persue happiness that tamatoes are critical to this right.

Extropolate this to any number of situations and you see why the ACLU in general is a decent orginization. Just look at Miranda rights.

the issues you have are morality based issues that i share with you on these particular topics. The issue you have is seperating the freespeech rights to organize and disucss from actions. I am not aware of the ACLU defending alot of the thing that are claimed.

As for child porngraphy i stated this earlier. It is time to make a consitutional amendment declaring exactly what is the age of consent etc. It will stop these arguments. We have to be careful with an amendment like this becuase various sexuals acts between conesnt adults that you or I may find disgusting should not be illegal. its a tricky complicated issue and its going to take a good blend of common sense,morals and balance to achieve an amendment that the choice between conesnting adulst, children to young to make decisions about sexuality etc are protected. Chidlren need protection from sexual predators no question here. if we make a commons snes amendment we can totally resolve the issue and protect children and allow adulst to do whatever they wish conseually between each other.

[82hatch]

ALmost everything in that claim has to do with NAMBLA.try to focus on the free speech issues. Secondly those are moral debates. I am not getting into a moraltiy debate. I am simply stating the reasons behind why the ACLU might defend such an orginazation.

Take this example. You love tamatoes. Tamatoes are outlawed becuase they are red. You form a group to legalize tomatoes. You are arrested and thrown in jail becuase you support the legalization of Tamatoes. the ACLU comes to defend your right to not only protest the illegalization of tamatoes but helps to arm you with tools help you get tomatoes legalized becuase as an american citizen you feel its well within your right to persue happiness that tamatoes are critical to this right.

Extropolate this to any number of situations and you see why the ACLU in general is a decent orginization. Just look at Miranda rights.

the issues you have are morality based issues that i share with you on these particular topics. The issue you have is seperating the freespeech rights to organize and disucss from actions. I am not aware of the ACLU defending alot of the thing that are claimed.

As for child porngraphy i stated this earlier. It is time to make a consitutional amendment declaring exactly what is the age of consent etc. It will stop these arguments. We have to be careful with an amendment like this becuase various sexuals acts between conesnt adults that you or I may find disgusting should not be illegal. its a tricky complicated issue and its going to take a good blend of common sense,morals and balance to achieve an amendment that the choice between conesnting adulst, children to young to make decisions about sexuality etc are protected. Chidlren need protection from sexual predators no question here. if we make a commons snes amendment we can totally resolve the issue and protect children and allow adulst to do whatever they wish conseually between each other.

I have nothing wrong with free speech. But we're talking sex w/ kids and sorry that's just wrong, period! I feel as a country we're moving in a direction where there is no right/wrong. Look at how leinient (sp?) judges have been on child molesters,rapists, etc. It's almost as if we're saying :well even though it's not right for you this is okay,etc.". Right is right wrong is wrong. We need to get back to that. The age of consent is 16 in Michigan. Sorry I don't agree w/ the ACLU on most issues and that's why I don't support them.

[Sean124]

I have nothing wrong with free speech. But we're talking sex w/ kids and sorry that's just wrong, period! I feel as a country we're moving in a direction where there is no right/wrong. Look at how leinient (sp?) judges have been on child molesters,rapists, etc. It's almost as if we're saying :well even though it's not right for you this is okay,etc.". Right is right wrong is wrong. We need to get back to that. The age of consent is 16 in Michigan. Sorry I don't agree w/ the ACLU on most issues and that's why I don't support them.

Read the parts where the ACLU was invovled. Only in the free speech portion of the case. Secondly the laws are 10x tougher now then they were 15yrs ago.I don;t have a problem with any of that. The ACLU might support some issues you don;t agree with but most of them Homosexual marriage would be a great example are choice issues.

[patman]

ACLU = :pow: :puke:

patman