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L98Terror
08-28-2006, 03:34 PM
The Top 50% pay 96.54% of All Income Taxes

(The top 1% pay more than a third: 34.27%)



October 4, 2005

This is the latest data for calendar year 2003 just released in October 2005 by the Internal Revenue Service. The share of total income taxes paid by the top 1% of wage earners rose to 34.27% from 33.71% in 2002. Their income share (not just wages) rose from 16.12% to 16.77%. However,
their average tax rate actually dropped from 27.25% down to 24.31%


http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/cy2003.Par.0008.ImageFile.gif

*Data covers calendar year 2003, not fiscal year 2003
- and includes all income, not just wages, excluding Social Security


Think of it this way: less than 3-1/2 dollars out of every $100 paid in income taxes in the United States is paid by someone in the bottom 50% of wage earners. Are the top half millionaires? Noooo, more like "thousandaires." The top 50% were those individuals or couples filing jointly who earned $29,019 and up in 2003. (The top 1% earned $295,495-plus.) Americans who want to are continuing to improve their lives, and those who don't want to, aren't. Here are the wage earners in each category and the percentages they pay:
The top 1% pay over a third, 34.27% of all income taxes. (Up from 2003: 33.71%) The top 5% pay 54.36% of all income taxes (Up from 2002: 53.80%). The top 10% pay 65.84% (Up from 2002: 65.73%). The top 25% pay 83.88% (Down from 2002: 83.90%). The top 50% pay 96.54% (Up from 2002: 96.50%). The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.46% of all income taxes (Down from 2002: 3.50%). The top 1% is paying nearly ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%! And who earns what? The top 1% earns 16.77% of all income (2002: 16.12%). The top 5% earns 31.18% of all the income (2002: 30.55%). The top 10% earns 42.36% of all the income (2002: 41.77%); the top 25% earns 64.86% of all the income (2002: 64.37%) , and the top 50% earns 86.01% (2002: 85.77%) of all the income.


The Rich Earned Their Dough, They Didn't Inherit It (Except Ted Kennedy)

October 10, 2003


The bottom 50% is paying a tiny bit of the taxes, so you can't give them much of a tax cut by definition. Yet these are the people to whom the Democrats claim to want to give tax cuts. Remember this the next time you hear the "tax cuts for the rich" business. Understand that the so-called rich are about the only ones paying taxes anymore.

I had a conversation with a woman who identified herself as Misty on Wednesday. She claimed to be an accountant, yet she seemed unaware of the Alternative Minimum Tax, which now ensures that everyone pays some taxes. AP reports that the AMT, "designed in 1969 to ensure 155 wealthy people paid some tax," will hit "about 2.6 million of us this year and 36 million by 2010." That's because the tax isn't indexed for inflation! If your salary today would've made you mega-rich in '69, that's how you're taxed.

Misty tried the old line that all wealth is inherited. Not true. John Weicher, as a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and a visiting scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank, wrote in his February 13, 1997 Washington Post Op-Ed, "Most of the rich have earned their wealth... Looking at the Fortune 400, quite a few even of the very richest people came from a standing start, while others inherited a small business and turned it into a giant corporation." What's happening here is not that "the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer." The numbers prove it.






Just a FYI

cASe SenSiTive
08-28-2006, 03:53 PM
:l98:

mdhmi
08-31-2006, 05:51 PM
So the obvious solution is that we raise taxes on the poor?

little2v
08-31-2006, 05:57 PM
I would be curious what ranges are in the 5% area.... if the top 1% is only 295k+

L98Terror
08-31-2006, 08:24 PM
So the obvious solution is that we raise taxes on the poor?

Your missing the point, when people go how come the only rich get taxs breaks it's because only the Rich pay taxes. The media likes to make you think the poor are getting screws but how can you cut taxes on people that don't pay them.

mdhmi
08-31-2006, 08:31 PM
I think much of the media crying was about the bulk of the Bush tax cut going to the top 1/10th of 1%. I agree with you though that the folks like us strugging to put food on the table only making 200-400K a year are getting fucked under the current system.

L98Terror
08-31-2006, 08:34 PM
I would be curious what ranges are in the 5% area.... if the top 1% is only 295k+


The answer is that higher-income households pay the bulk of all federal income taxes.

In 2001, the last year for which this analysis from the Internal Revenue Service is available, the 1.3 million returns representing the top 1 percent of all taxpayers accounted for 17.5 percent of all income and paid 33.9 percent of all income taxes.

To be in the top 1 percent, you needed an adjusted gross income of at least $292,913.

In addition, their share of total taxes paid had risen steadily from 1986. It was 25.7 percent then.

So the well-off are paying more of the taxes collected, even though their average tax rate declined from 33.1 percent to 27.5 percent.

Households in the top 25 percent had adjusted gross incomes of at least $56,085 in 2001.

They paid taxes at an average rate of 18.1 percent. They earned 65.2 percent of the income and paid an impressive 82.9 percent of all income taxes.

The average tax rate for the top 25 percent declined slightly from the 1986 average of 18.7 percent.

I'll bet my next paycheck that $56,085 isn't the income most people have in mind when they imagine the fat cats at the top of the income pyramid.

But there it is.

Most of the glitzy life so visible in advertising is priced well beyond the purchasing power of that threshold earner or family.

Still looking for top 5%

L98Terror
08-31-2006, 08:36 PM
I think much of the media crying was about the bulk of the Bush tax cut going to the top 1/10th of 1%. I agree with you though that the folks like us strugging to put food on the table only making 200-400K a year are getting fucked under the current system.

You are welcome to pay more you know, just fill out a check and send it in? Let me know how much extra you're sending this year so I can pat you on the back:icon_mrgr

wikdsvt
08-31-2006, 09:48 PM
It's those damn tax attorneys ... they know all the tax loopholes...


LOL...

TTA
08-31-2006, 09:59 PM
I don't know nothing about taxes and stuff but I think the poor do pay a disproportionate amount in taxes when you take into account sales tax, gas tax, cigarette tax and cashing your paycheck at the corner store and buying food in the ghetto market tax.

mdhmi
08-31-2006, 11:06 PM
Those are called Stupid Taxes and are optional.

People like to act like the rich don't pay taxes because they have expensive attorneys to figure out loopholes, etc.

While having a good tax attorney helps, most small business owners have them to make sure they are compliant (won't get audited) as well to hopefully keep a little more of *their* money.

Even with all the deductions (which only offset revenue and profits.. it's -not- free money) rich people still pay far more than is reasonable.

L98Terror
09-01-2006, 10:26 AM
Those are called Stupid Taxes and are optional.


:roll:

TTA
09-01-2006, 11:23 AM
[QUOTE=mdhmi]Those are called Stupid Taxes and are optional./QUOTE]
Good one :)

All I was trying to say is even though the federal government taxes poor people less than rich people they are still at a disadvantage and pay a higher percentage of their income across the board in other types of 'taxes' (lottery, cigarette, liquor) or real fees that in effect amount to a 'poor tax' eg. higher mortgage rates, insurance fees, check cashing fees etc.
IMHO poor people see these taxes (real or self imposed) as taxes and don't care who it's going to or what cased it, all they know is they don't see 'us' paying them so obviously the rich aint paying enough so we "don't need no damn tax cuts."

L98Terror
09-01-2006, 11:59 AM
[QUOTE=mdhmi]Those are called Stupid Taxes and are optional./QUOTE]
Good one :)

All I was trying to say is even though the federal government taxes poor people less than rich people they are still at a disadvantage and pay a higher percentage of their income across the board in other types of 'taxes' (lottery, cigarette, liquor) or real fees that in effect amount to a 'poor tax' eg. higher mortgage rates, insurance fees, check cashing fees etc.
IMHO poor people see these taxes (real or self imposed) as taxes and don't care who it's going to or what cased it, all they know is they don't see 'us' paying them so obviously the rich aint paying enough so we "don't need no damn tax cuts."


What exactly are you talking about? Most of those people are paying those things with tax money that was given to them from the government to begin with.


All Choices
Lottery : Stupid person tax: they are paying for entertainment
Cigarettes: They should pay more because of the increased health cost later in life
Liquor: They should pay more because of the increased health cost later in life

BTW How much are people spending that's it a big % of their income?

These are not taxes

higher mortgage rates: :dontknow: People with bad credit not poor You have bad credit because your a dumb ass. Poor people don't have mortgages.

check cashing fees: Dumb ass open a bank account

insurance fees: Insurance for what I thought they were poor


I'm not spending my money on crack either so do poor people think that's another expense they have that I don't.


Again you missing the point of the post most of the richest people in Congress are Democrats that never even earned it, Teddy Kennedy (inherited millions), John Kerry (married millions — twice, lucky guy), Sen. Herbert H. Kohl (inherited millions), John D. Rockefeller (inherited millions), Mark Dayton (inherited millions), Dianne Feinstein (married millions) and aspiring senator Ned the Red (inherited millions). All Democrats. And any time there is tax relief they claim it's only for the rich the point is only the rich (according to ther definition) pay taxes.

By no means am I saying that people in lower income ranges should be paying more taxes I think everyone should be paying less taxes and the govn't should stop wasting tax money.


People that earn wealth do it by taking chances and busting their ass in the Senators above feel they need to raise taxes that fine but do it on inheritance not on those busting their ass to get ahead. BTW they should put their money where their month is and tax themselves first.

Ortontucky Terror
09-01-2006, 05:20 PM
poor people are dumb for the most part, as a generalization where do you think more lotto tickets are sold, wayne county or oakland county? why shouldnt liquor be taxed along with cigarrettes they are both controlled substances and do nothing to make a better society?

L98Terror
09-01-2006, 05:41 PM
poor people are dumb for the most part,

There are two ways not to be poor work hard or work smart, notice both include work:icon_mrgr That doesn't appeal to many.

Or be a child of someone who worked again that damn work thing:dontknow:

Belowme
09-06-2006, 02:11 AM
LMAO...good thing you married well L98 :D

L98Terror
09-08-2006, 08:29 PM
LMAO...good thing you married well L98 :D
:icon_mrgr I did say work smart:wink:

RedXtcy
09-17-2006, 12:53 PM
:icon_mrgr I did say work smart:wink:
:roll:

mdhmi
09-17-2006, 11:05 PM
Or be a child of someone who worked again that damn work thing :dontknow:

I agree. Children of the wealthy have a God given right never to work a day in their life.

I hate to wait for a death, maybe just marry well. Anyone here fabulously wealthy looking to wed an IT guy with a fast car? :laugh: