And you thought Islam was scary....

[uluz2a6]

http://www.thatlitevideosite.com/view/3255 :eek:

[orangejuiced86]

What a bunch of freaks.................

[Sean124]

Any religious zealotry is scary.

[MentallyChallenged]

That's fucking sick. And what the guy says is right. When the christians vote that's who wins.

[82hatch]

That's fucking sick. And what the guy says is right. When the christians vote that's who wins.

WTF drugs are you on?

[MentallyChallenged]

WTF drugs are you on?

How many people vote in a presidential election? 100/150 million or so? Makes perfect sense to me.

[82hatch]

How many people vote in a presidential election? 100/150 million or so? Makes perfect sense to me.

So according to you all Christians are bad? Please tell us al lhow to live and vote since you have all the answers.

[MentallyChallenged]

So according to you all Christians are bad? Please tell us al lhow to live and vote since you have all the answers.

I didnt say how they voted was good or bad douche, I just agreed with what was said in the video that they can control the vote and that it's fucking sick.

[82hatch]

I didnt say how they voted was good or bad douche, I just agreed with what was said in the video that they can control the vote and that it's fucking sick.

You're stupidity is simply amazing.

[uluz2a6]

You're stupidity is simply amazing.

No... your does. Hemi is right. Bush CONNED the religious right to win.

[mikeg]

No... your does. Hemi is right. Bush CONNED the religious right to win.

WTF does this mean? That if you aren't part of the religious right you can't vote? Last time I checked, every adult citizen could vote, so shut up and vote. And if the person you voted for doesn't win, don't cry about it for 4 fucking years, realize that more of the population wanted them in office, this is how our country works.

[patman]

WTF does this mean? That if you aren't part of the religious right you can't vote? Last time I checked, every adult citizen could vote, so shut up and vote. And if the person you voted for doesn't win, don't cry about it for 4 fucking years, realize that more of the population wanted them in office, this is how our country works.

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patman

[82hatch]

No... your does. Hemi is right. Bush CONNED the religious right to win.

One learn how to type. Two, stop crying 'cause your boy didn't win. Wow this is the first post you've typed on your own without any cut or paste. Bravo! Agreeing w/ Hemi wow I've seen everything now.

[uluz2a6]

One learn how to type. Two, stop crying 'cause your boy didn't win. Wow this is the first post you've typed on your own without any cut or paste. Bravo! Agreeing w/ Hemi wow I've seen everything now.

Who's cryin:dontknow:The religious right helped Bush win. FACT.

[82hatch]

Who's cryin:dontknow:The religious right helped Bush win. FACT.

You by saying he conned the religious right to vote for him. I'd rather have him than Kerry ANY day-and obviously so did a lot of other people.

[MentallyChallenged]

Your a fucking retard, I posted something that was said in the movie and agreeing with it, that it is crazy. You've changed what I've said it into something I didnt say.

[Roadrage]

WTF drugs are you on?

ALl he said was that the Christians are the majority in this country, if thay all vote for what the religious leaders tell them to, they get what they want.

[postban]

did I miss the part where the zealous christians in your video link train their kids to wear explosive vests and teach death by martyrdom is the greatest honor?

and yeah, Islam is still waaaaay scarier. Dirka Dirka motherfuckers:pow:



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[Roadrage]

did I miss the part where the zealous christians in your video link train their kids to wear explosive vests and teach death by martyrdom is the greatest honor?

and yeah, Islam is still waaaaay scarier. Dirka Dirka motherfuckers:pow:



:icon_mrgr

Agreed

[patman]

did I miss the part where the zealous christians in your video link train their kids to wear explosive vests and teach death by martyrdom is the greatest honor?

and yeah, Islam is still waaaaay scarier. Dirka Dirka motherfuckers:pow:



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patman

[82hatch]

did I miss the part where the zealous christians in your video link train their kids to wear explosive vests and teach death by martyrdom is the greatest honor?

and yeah, Islam is still waaaaay scarier. Dirka Dirka motherfuckers:pow:



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[Roadrage]

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Your math sucks :icon_mrgr

[82hatch]

Your math sucks :icon_mrgr

Fixed. ;) :D

[Sean124]

did I miss the part where the zealous christians in your video link train their kids to wear explosive vests and teach death by martyrdom is the greatest honor?

and yeah, Islam is still waaaaay scarier. Dirka Dirka motherfuckers:pow:



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I'm not trying to stroke the fire here but did we forget the christian crusades ?? whole generations of people were raised to go fight that war.Secondly whos to say in 5-10 yrs with the christian right becoming ever more miltant in both its stance and polictics that this might not happen. I say look at Islam as the example of what can happen with any form of religion becoming extremist, combining religion with extreme poverty and I'd say fear any religion whos leaders publically call for the assination of world leaders and demand military action against any foriegn country. Both christianity and Islam have radical followers just like every other religion and its these fanatical followers that pose the greatest threat to society.

the best way to fix most of these problems and its has been proven time and time again is to promote education and create economic opourtunity. If the poor the bulk of the people who join these insanity crusades can be pulled up out of poverty they generally tend to shy away from this type of action. But combine poverty and religion and you get a time bomb when the talk turn to action against the wealthy. Most likely the real unspoken motivation of the whole islamic Jihad alot of its followers are poor impovrished people with nothing to loose.

[82hatch]

I'm not trying to stroke the fire here but did we forget the christian crusades ?? whole generations of people were raised to go fight that war.Secondly whos to say in 5-10 yrs with the christian right becoming ever more miltant in both its stance and polictics that this might not happen. I say look at Islam as the example of what can happen with any form of religion becoming extremist, combining religion with extreme poverty and I'd say fear any religion whos leaders publically call for the assination of world leaders and demand military action against any foriegn country. Both christianity and Islam have radical followers just like every other religion and its these fanatical followers that pose the greatest threat to society.

the best way to fix most of these problems and its has been proven time and time again is to promote education and create economic opourtunity. If the poor the bulk of the people who join these insanity crusades can be pulled up out of poverty they generally tend to shy away from this type of action. But combine poverty and religion and you get a time bomb when the talk turn to action against the wealthy. Most likely the real unspoken motivation of the whole islamic Jihad alot of its followers are poor impovrished people with nothing to loose.

Let's make it simple-the people attacking us now are Islamic Jihad, plain and simple-not Christians,Buddists (sp?),etc. They are doing what the Koran preaches. If you all want to ignore that and try to portray the terrorists as misunderstood then you really don't have a clue. You liberals are quick to attack any and all Christians but apparently flying to planes into a few buildings is okay. Hey you don't like Christains fine whatever. But always bringing up how bad they supposedly are serves no purpose. They're not the ones flying planes into buildings or attacking the US embassy. Here's the difference between Christians and Muslims-if someone blows up an abortion clinic the Christian community does not claim responsibility or praise them for doing it-quite the opposite. Meanwhile did you hear any outrage when the USS Cole was attacked,or the US barracks,or in 1993 when the Trade Center was bombed? You did hear a little after the Trade Center attacks because they knew what was coming-a US attack. It just amazes me people can't see that! What the hell does bringing up something that happened 1500 years ago have to do with now? The motivation the Islamic Jihad is that the US is the enemy. You would think after being attacked by them for like 20 years most could see that. I guess not.

[Sean124]

Let's make it simple-the people attacking us now are Islamic Jihad, plain and simple-not Christians,Buddists (sp?),etc. They are doing what the Koran preaches. If you all want to ignore that and try to portray the terrorists as misunderstood then you really don't have a clue. You liberals are quick to attack any and all Christians but apparently flying to planes into a few buildings is okay. Hey you don't like Christains fine whatever. But always bringing up how bad they supposedly are serves no purpose. They're not the ones flying planes into buildings or attacking the US embassy. Here's the difference between Christians and Muslims-if someone blows up an abortion clinic the Christian community does not claim responsibility or praise them for doing it-quite the opposite. Meanwhile did you hear any outrage when the USS Cole was attacked,or the US barracks,or in 1993 when the Trade Center was bombed? You did hear a little after the Trade Center attacks because they knew what was coming-a US attack. It just amazes me people can't see that! What the hell does bringing up something that happened 1500 years ago have to do with now? The motivation the Islamic Jihad is that the US is the enemy. You would think after being attacked by them for like 20 years most could see that. I guess not.

You again blindly choose to not read the post. What I am saying is that we could be confronted with a similar cummunity but christian based. What part of the cult like behaviors of all religions don't you understand. Combine that with POVERTY and people who are desperate and angry and you get Jihad in the Islamic community or something similar in the Christian cummunity. You just choose to be ignorant to the root cuase of the movement.The fact is that although we don't have the long standing depravity in our country like there are in other parts of the world there are some places in this country where the poor are really poor. If let fester we could be faced with a similar movement to Islamic Fascist tanicicty but this time it will be home grown.

[orangejuiced86]

You know, most of the posts on this board scroll down. But every post in the forum just goes in circles.

[82hatch]

You again blindly choose to not read the post. What I am saying is that we could be confronted with a similar cummunity but christian based. What part of the cult like behaviors of all religions don't you understand. Combine that with POVERTY and people who are desperate and angry and you get Jihad in the Islamic community or something similar in the Christian cummunity. You just choose to be ignorant to the root cuase of the movement.The fact is that although we don't have the long standing depravity in our country like there are in other parts of the world there are some places in this country where the poor are really poor. If let fester we could be faced with a similar movement to Islamic Fascist tanicicty but this time it will be home grown.

Wow I was I was as delusional as you. Where do you get this crap? It's not poverty but thier belief. If they all were rich it wouldn't matter-it's based on their religion/culture! The Iranian govt supports terrorism-they sure as hell aren't poor! I do agree you can get carried away w/ ANY religion-not just Christianity, although that seems to be your favorite target. It's probably because you hate what you don't understand. You're just one of those paranoid, the sky is falling type of people not the super intelligent person you try so hard to come across as.

[Sean124]

Wow I was I was as delusional as you. Where do you get this crap? It's not poverty but thier belief. If they all were rich it wouldn't matter-it's based on their religion/culture! The Iranian govt supports terrorism-they sure as hell aren't poor! I do agree you can get carried away w/ ANY religion-not just Christianity, although that seems to be your favorite target. It's probably because you hate what you don't understand. You're just one of those paranoid, the sky is falling type of people not the super intelligent person you try so hard to come across as.

Your definately starting to grate my nerves. Poverty is what fuels religious fervor. Doesn't require a PHD to figure this out. Look at the people attacking us. They are all from impovrished countrys or they are fighting on behalf of an impovrished country with some sort of heavy handed dictatorship goeverment. Something feeds these poeple to act this way. Mix poverty anger and a healthy does of religous zealotism and bam you get Jihad islam.why is it that you have such a hard time understanding the conditions that feeds this cycle of violence. If these people that wish us harm were happy and living at least a smidgen above poverty and had some contentment in there lives they might not be willing to join up with these movements. Its a complex issue part Idealology and part poverty.

Why is it that some many people have a difficulty understanding what feeds this. The people heading up these cuases are predators looking to take advanatge of the uneducated and poor and desperate.Just look at Afghanistan there is a perfect example of an impovrished breeding ground of hatered.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1111-01.htm

http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1016/p9s1-coop.html

Again more people highlighting poverty as the root cuase of alot of the problems in countrys like afghanistan.However don;t take this as me saying send the handouts. They key here would be to help these cultures develop sustainable capitalistic driven economies that produced wealth internally. This would require improvements in everything from education etc that would stop the spread of the extremist movement in its tracks. You can't shoot an idea but you can shoot a person who follows it. the problem isn't shooting the followers its that 10 more pop up to replace that follower you just shot.

[82hatch]

Your definately starting to grate my nerves. Poverty is what fuels religious fervor. Doesn't require a PHD to figure this out. Look at the people attacking us. They are all from impovrished countrys or they are fighting on behalf of an impovrished country with some sort of heavy handed dictatorship goeverment. Something feeds these poeple to act this way. Mix poverty anger and a healthy does of religous zealotism and bam you get Jihad islam.why is it that you have such a hard time understanding the conditions that feeds this cycle of violence. If these people that wish us harm were happy and living at least a smidgen above poverty and had some contentment in there lives they might not be willing to join up with these movements. Its a complex issue part Idealology and part poverty.

Why is it that some many people have a difficulty understanding what feeds this. The people heading up these cuases are predators looking to take advanatge of the uneducated and poor and desperate.Just look at Afghanistan there is a perfect example of an impovrished breeding ground of hatered.

You've been grating my nerves. :D We disagree fine whatever. You do come across as defending the Jihad when you constantly bring Christanity in the mix. I agree (read carefully) that ANY religion can be used as a basis to wrong,evil,etc. I disagree w/ you in the fact that we're in the same boat Christianity wise. We are a LONG ways from being poor like a third world country. Can poverty contribute to war unrest-certainly. But thier who country is based on the ideology of the Koran. I don't think that would if they had more $$$. I agree to disagree, I'm done with this thread.

[uluz2a6]

Your definately starting to grate my nerves. Poverty is what fuels religious fervor. Doesn't require a PHD to figure this out. Look at the people attacking us. They are all from impovrished countrys or they are fighting on behalf of an impovrished country with some sort of heavy handed dictatorship goeverment. Something feeds these poeple to act this way. Mix poverty anger and a healthy does of religous zealotism and bam you get Jihad islam.why is it that you have such a hard time understanding the conditions that feeds this cycle of violence. If these people that wish us harm were happy and living at least a smidgen above poverty and had some contentment in there lives they might not be willing to join up with these movements. Its a complex issue part Idealology and part poverty.

Why is it that some many people have a difficulty understanding what feeds this. The people heading up these cuases are predators looking to take advanatge of the uneducated and poor and desperate.Just look at Afghanistan there is a perfect example of an impovrished breeding ground of hatered.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1111-01.htm

http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1016/p9s1-coop.html

Again more people highlighting poverty as the root cuase of alot of the problems in countrys like afghanistan.However don;t take this as me saying send the handouts. They key here would be to help these cultures develop sustainable capitalistic driven economies that produced wealth internally. This would require improvements in everything from education etc that would stop the spread of the extremist movement in its tracks. You can't shoot an idea but you can shoot a person who follows it. the problem isn't shooting the followers its that 10 more pop up to replace that follower you just shot.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Sean124]

You've been grating my nerves. :D We disagree fine whatever. You do come across as defending the Jihad when you constantly bring Christanity in the mix. I agree (read carefully) that ANY religion can be used as a basis to wrong,evil,etc. I disagree w/ you in the fact that we're in the same boat Christianity wise. We are a LONG ways from being poor like a third world country. Can poverty contribute to war unrest-certainly. But thier who country is based on the ideology of the Koran. I don't think that would if they had more $$$. I agree to disagree, I'm done with this thread.

I am not defending the Jihad. Also at the edges of the chirstian movement in this country there are definately some people bordering on Jihad against there own people. Stop taking it as a personal attack against you. The point I am making is that any religion can turn into what has become of a moderately large portion of the Islamic faith. An anrgy bunch of snakes. Secondly with poverty on the rise in our own country and alot of angry and distruaght people with predatory leaders of questionable ethics its very possiable that there will be a powder keg of some sort if things aren't kept in check.It can happen with almost any religion.

[MentallyChallenged]

I am not defending the Jihad. Also at the edges of the chirstian movement in this country there are definately some people bordering on Jihad against there own people. Stop taking it as a personal attack against you. The point I am making is that any religion can turn into what has become of a moderately large portion of the Islamic faith. An anrgy bunch of snakes. Secondly with poverty on the rise in our own country and alot of angry and distruaght people with predatory leaders of questionable ethics its very possiable that there will be a powder keg of some sort if things aren't kept in check.It can happen with almost any religion.

Dont you like repeating yourself 4 times for 82 hatch to understand what you typed in the first post?

But remember nothing bad can happen in this great democratic government, and nothing bad can happen with a large population of radical christians in this country either. :icon_roll

Oh and sicne when is being "liberal" a bad thing 82 hatch? You refer to it as a bad thing in context of your posts. What Liberals choose to think for themselves and that's not good?

[uluz2a6]

Dont you like repeating yourself 4 times for 82 hatch to understand what you typed in the first post?


LOL!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[82hatch]

Dont you like repeating yourself 4 times for 82 hatch to understand what you typed in the first post?

But remember nothing bad can happen in this great democratic government, and nothing bad can happen with a large population of radical christians in this country either. :icon_roll

Oh and sicne when is being "liberal" a bad thing 82 hatch? You refer to it as a bad thing in context of your posts. What Liberals choose to think for themselves and that's not good?


This coming from a person that believes the gov't was behind 9/11-good one there Hemi. Where's this large radical Christian movement you're talking about? You scare people in your own party Hemi not a good thing last I checked. Go ahead and pile on. Also it's since smart guy. ;) We tell you things 8 million times and you still don't get it. Liberal choose to think for themselves. Now THAT's funny. Case in point uluz2a6's cut and paste method. How should the gov't be run Hemi? I'd love to hear from some smart-ass kid who has all the answers? All b.s. aside how would you run it?

[MentallyChallenged]

This coming from a person that believes the gov't was behind 9/11-good one there Hemi. Where's this large radical Christian movement you're talking about? You scare people in your own party Hemi not a good thing last I checked. Go ahead and pile on. Also it's since smart guy. ;) We tell you things 8 million times and you still don't get it. Liberal choose to think for themselves. Now THAT's funny. Case in point uluz2a6's cut and paste method. How should the gov't be run Hemi? I'd love to hear from some smart-ass kid who has all the answers? All b.s. aside how would you run it?

Honestly by deficition I'm a conservatist (not spell checking it). I think the government should be involved in levels of trade, taxes and schooling 100%, but beyond that not at all. Less police, less county/city/township/state to state law differences, less invloved in overseas affairs, legalization and taxtation of currently illegal drugs, increase tariffs on imported goods slowly to make more jobs in america.. I dont know I dont have all the awnsers, nor do i claim to, that's why im not a politician nor do I plan on being.

[wide winger]

If poverty was the cause we should have had a civil war during the great depression of the 1920's. We were alot more Christian than we are today!
Its a lack of education and freedom thats causes these people to rise againts us.
They think 21 virgins are waiting for them in heaven! WTF?

[PAXAPNCH]

[QUOTE=Sean]Poverty is what fuels religious fervor. Doesn't require a PHD to figure this out. QUOTE]

Although I agree Poverty does give the right conditions for religious extremists to press their will on their followers not all countries or religions are taught that. It is what is taught in their specific religion that makes them "suicide bombers". Suicide is frowned upon in the Christian community and I don't believe that will change. Even though the video said "would you die for Jesus" I don't think that's what they were teaching. I recently took a vacation to one of the poorest countries in Europe and I didn't see one case of "religious fervor" I do agree in the case of Islamic extremism that poverty is the major force be hide all these terrorist activities, but not in every case. MY .02 :dontknow:

[Sean124]

[QUOTE=Sean]Poverty is what fuels religious fervor. Doesn't require a PHD to figure this out. QUOTE]

Although I agree Poverty does give the right conditions for religious extremists to press their will on their followers not all countries or religions are taught that. It is what is taught in their specific religion that makes them "suicide bombers". Suicide is frowned upon in the Christian community and I don't believe that will change. Even though the video said "would you die for Jesus" I don't think that's what they were teaching. I recently took a vacation to one of the poorest countries in Europe and I didn't see one case of "religious fervor" I do agree in the case of Islamic extremism that poverty is the major force be hide all these terrorist activities, but not in every case. MY .02 :dontknow:

I would agree that its not the only variable in the equation but most certianly one of the heaviest hitters. I would question wether or not a similar movement might take hold in the US but i could see it happening in quiet a few poorer countrys. Also again I am stating its is a large contributing factor not the only factor. Some of its is definately a large difference in social values.

[Sean124]

If poverty was the cause we should have had a civil war during the great depression of the 1920's. We were alot more Christian than we are today!
Its a lack of education and freedom thats causes these people to rise againts us.
They think 21 virgins are waiting for them in heaven! WTF?


Actually that might be more propaganda then truth. There was a large movement during the great deprssion to move towards Communism.There is a detailed history here while greatly downplayed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

The country was most likely according to some histrorians less religious then it is now.

However the 21 virgin thing could be seen as an enticement. Funny thing about 21 virigns is that after you have sex 21 times then you don't have anymore virgins. Shit who wants that many virgins anyways ? Appaerently our cultural values do not place priority on the infered purity of virgins but thiers doe's and Wow 21 is a big number. Think of it from your perspective like being promised a billion dollars. Its an enticement. I haven't had time to puruse the Koran in a long time haven't read the bible in a long tiem either but I don't seem to recall seeing that in the modern Koran but it is in older translations which i belive are the major underpinning force of wahabism Islam that is State religion in countrys like our oil rich friends Suadia Arabia.But we don;t seem to do anything about there funding of Hydrassa schools ( i hope i spelled that right ) and the terroist operations that we have intel on.

[Reckless]

Back to the original topic......didn't some guy named Koresh already try this Jesus Camp stuff? :)

[wide winger]

Kooks are every where and crazy about what ever floats their boat.

[Sean124]

Back to the original topic......didn't some guy named Koresh already try this Jesus Camp stuff? :)

Yeah and he armed himself and his follower to the teeth did everything possiable to provoke the ATF to make his Prostilization of the future come true and claimed to be Jesus. There were other concerns and the information is pretty sketchy about what went on at that compound.