Path to 911

[L98Terror]

It's funny how the liberals claim to be the champions of the 1st amendment but have no problem trying to censor ABC which is the most left leaning nework of them all*.









*ABC might not be the most left network

[Golden]

You are correct. I have a govt class tonight full of liberals, and I have a feeling it will get nasty in there when 911 is brought up.

[Sean124]

It's funny how the liberals claim to be the champions of the 1st amendment but have no problem trying to censor ABC which is the most left leaning nework of them all.

ABC is far from left leaning.

[91Notch]

It's funny how the liberals claim to be the champions of the 1st amendment but have no problem trying to censor ABC which is the most left leaning nework of them all.

nothing new there
I think NBC just might be more liberal than that Mickey Mouse station

[Sean124]

nothing new there
I think NBC just might be more liberal than that Mickey Mouse station


Did it occur to you that maybe your just so far to the right that anything left of there even being in the center looks to the left ?

[L98Terror]

ABC is far from left leaning.

Your kidding right

[L98Terror]

You are correct. I have a govt class tonight full of liberals, and I have a feeling it will get nasty in there when 911 is brought up.


http://www.variety.com/VR1117949675.html

http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060908/2006-09-08T003500Z_01_N07260695_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-SEPT11-DEMOCRATS-FILM-DC.html



http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/washington/08film.html?ei=5090&en=0126feb793778c17&ex=1315368000&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

[L98Terror]

Did it occur to you that maybe your just so far to the right that anything left of there even being in the center looks to the left ?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the world your mind creates is so delusional that you can't even tell reality from fiction? I wish I could go around having no idea what is going on around me and just randomly make shit up and pass it along as facts.

[Sean124]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the world your mind creates is so delusional that you can't even tell reality from fiction? I wish I could go around having no idea what is going on around me and just randomly make shit up and pass it along as facts.

Maybe I am not the one with the issue with being delusional. I try to take what both sides claim as being fact and distill it down to reality. Often what one side or the other claims is not true.The truth often lies in the shades of grey which are in between.

[Sean124]

Your kidding right

Yeah read from from left. Where exactly is the left ?

[82hatch]

ABC is far from left leaning.

:roll:

[82hatch]

Maybe I am not the one with the issue with being delusional. I try to take what both sides claim as being fact and distill it down to reality. Often what one side or the other claims is not true.The truth often lies in the shades of grey which are in between.


:rolleyes:

[uluz2a6]

Your kidding right

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067

The Most Biased Name in News
Fox News Channel's extraordinary right-wing tilt

Fox News Admits Bias
http://www.slate.com/id/2119864/

FOX News Channel Bias
http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/foxbias.htm

Fox News Channel (FNC) is a the news media branch of the Fox Multimedia Corporation. Considered largely conservative in its projections and perceptions...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fox_News


http://www.bradblog.com/Images/FauxNews.jpg

[L98Terror]

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067

The Most Biased Name in News
Fox News Channel's extraordinary right-wing tilt

Fox News Admits Bias
http://www.slate.com/id/2119864/

FOX News Channel Bias
http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/foxbias.htm

Fox News Channel (FNC) is a the news media branch of the Fox Multimedia Corporation. Considered largely conservative in its projections and perceptions...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fox_News


http://www.bradblog.com/Images/FauxNews.jpg



What does that have to do with this topic of Liberals trying to Censor ABC:hijacked: Is it that hard to say on Topic?:dontknow:

[Golden]

Ken...he is pulling the typical liberal stunt.....distract people from the real topic...point out a new problem.

[Sean124]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1697975/posts

is this what your reffering to ? I had a few minutes to read up on the subject. It appears that some people have issue with some of the policy attack on the Clinton adminstration. I personally do not have a problem with them airing the special. The issue becomes is there point of view on policys failures accurate. If you wanted a real candid debate on policy failrues how about the reagan/bush adminstration that armed and trained Bin Laden ?

It would also apear that ABC is not leaning to the left but is feeling pressure about what the left feels is an unfair account of Clinton policy.

[Sean124]

This aparently the letter sent by the democratic leadership in regards to the ABC special. Read it for yourself and come to your own conclusion.





Senate Democratic Leadership calls on Disney CEO to keep "The Path to 9/11" off the air.

From a press release:

Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521
Dear Mr. Iger,

We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disney’s plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation.

The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events.

Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, “When you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.”

Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong.

Despite claims by your network’s representatives that The Path to 9/11 is based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners themselves, as well as other experts on the issues, disagree.

Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 Commissioners who recently viewed the program, said, “As we were watching, we were trying to think how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commission’s findings the way that they had.” [“9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,” New York Times, September 6, 2006]

Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a national security advisor to ABC has described the program as “deeply flawed” and said of the program’s depiction of a Clinton official hanging up on an intelligence agent, “It’s 180 degrees from what happened.” [“9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,” New York Times, September 6, 2006]

Reports suggest that an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and served as a consultant to ABC on this program quit halfway through because, “he thought they were making things up.” [MSNBC, September 7, 2006]

Even Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the miniseries, has admitted that scenes in the film are fictionalized. [“9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,” New York Times, September 6, 2006]

That Disney would seek to broadcast an admittedly and proven false recounting of the events of 9/11 raises serious questions about the motivations of its creators and those who approved the deeply flawed program. Finally, that Disney plans to air commercial-free a program that reportedly cost it $40 million to produce serves to add fuel to these concerns.

These concerns are made all the more pressing by the political leaning of and the public statements made by the writer/producer of this miniseries, Mr. Cyrus Nowrasteh, in promoting this miniseries across conservative blogs and talk shows.

Frankly, that ABC and Disney would consider airing a program that could be construed as right-wing political propaganda on such a grave and important event involving the security of our nation is a discredit both to the Disney brand and to the legacy of honesty built at ABC by honorable individuals from David Brinkley to Peter Jennings. Furthermore, that Disney would seek to use Scholastic to promote this misguided programming to American children as a substitute for factual information is a disgrace.

As 9/11 Commission member Jamie Gorelick said, “It is critically important to the safety of our nation that our citizens, and particularly our school children, understand what actually happened and why – so that we can proceed from a common understanding of what went wrong and act with unity to make our country safer.”

Should Disney allow this programming to proceed as planned, the factual record, millions of viewers, countless schoolchildren, and the reputation of Disney as a corporation worthy of the trust of the American people and the United States Congress will be deeply damaged. We urge you, after full consideration of the facts, to uphold your responsibilities as a respected member of American society and as a beneficiary of the free use of the public airwaves to cancel this factually inaccurate and deeply misguided program. We look forward to hearing back from you soon.


Sincerely,

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid
Assistant Democratic Leader Dick Durbin
Senator Debbie Stabenow
Senator Charles Schumer
Senator Byron Dorgan

[82hatch]

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067

The Most Biased Name in News
Fox News Channel's extraordinary right-wing tilt

Fox News Admits Bias
http://www.slate.com/id/2119864/

FOX News Channel Bias
http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/foxbias.htm

Fox News Channel (FNC) is a the news media branch of the Fox Multimedia Corporation. Considered largely conservative in its projections and perceptions...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fox_News


http://www.bradblog.com/Images/FauxNews.jpg


But CNN, MSNBC, are unbiased right? :rolleyes:

[wikdsvt]

Stab a cow signed it.. oh sweet jesus.

[Sean124]

But CNN, MSNBC, are unbiased right? :rolleyes:

They are all biased.

[82hatch]

They are all biased.

I agree everything you read hear,etc has some bias, but some are worse than others. Especially those like CNN,MSNBC that tell you they are unbiased yet only present the liberal side of a story.

[Sean124]

I agree everything you read hear,etc has some bias, but some are worse than others. Especially those like CNN,MSNBC that tell you they are unbiased yet only present the liberal side of a story.


Sevral independent reviews of CNN's content by bipartisan groups have found that they are actuall vastly centrist depending on the show and the host its possiable the drift either way over the course of a broadcast day. MSNBC is actually more right of center but not by much. Most news outlets are actuall more to the right then the left and the ones that are accused of being leftist are usally centrist. Most of the British press conisders CNN to be to the right so its all a matter of perspective i geuss. our left is to the right of there right.

[L98Terror]

Sevral independent reviews of CNN's content by bipartisan groups have found that they are actuall vastly centrist depending on the show and the host its possiable the drift either way over the course of a broadcast day. MSNBC is actually more right of center but not by much. Most news outlets are actuall more to the right then the left and the ones that are accused of being leftist are usally centrist. Most of the British press conisders CNN to be to the right so its all a matter of perspective i geuss. our left is to the right of there right.

Please state a source? You have already show you will say what ever is necessary to make a point whether it be fact or fiction. Here you are referring to several independent reviews so it shouldn't be hard to produce one. Otherwise I call :bs:

[Sean124]

Please state a source? You have already show you will say what ever is necessary to make a point whether it be fact or fiction. Here you are referring to several independent reviews so it shouldn't be hard to produce one. Otherwise I call :bs:


Instead of me looking around and you calling BS like your some sort of Room monitor why don;t you look around. Maybe you could become more objective since your only intent is to slam and Bash anyone who holds a different set of values and opinions.

I am throwing you a bread crumb. follow the trail.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501210001
http://www.twf.org/News/Y1997/Fairness.html

[MxRacerCam]

Instead of me looking around and you calling BS like your some sort of Room monitor why don;t you look around. Maybe you could become more objective since your only intent is to slam and Bash anyone who holds a different set of values and opinions.

I am throwing you a bread crumb. follow the trail.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501210001
http://www.twf.org/News/Y1997/Fairness.html


much like the press release you posted, the onus of providing supporting evidence of your claims is on you, not the reader. you simply cannot state something as fact and then tell the reader to verify it on his own. it will reduce your credibility.

if you're going to bring evidence to the table, you have to cite the source. otherwise it's hearsay and conjecture.

you seem like an intelligent and reasonable man, sean. and i'm sure you're busy... but don't get mad when people want you to support your statements with facts. :wink:

[BLOWNZO6]

Sevral independent reviews of CNN's content by bipartisan groups have found that they are actuall vastly centrist depending on the show and the host its possiable the drift either way over the course of a broadcast day. MSNBC is actually more right of center but not by much. Most news outlets are actuall more to the right then the left and the ones that are accused of being leftist are usally centrist. Most of the British press conisders CNN to be to the right so its all a matter of perspective i geuss. our left is to the right of there right.

CNN = Clinton News Network.

Good first post right :icon_mrgr

[2001-WS6]

Welcome to the club Nick. :D

Rick

[little2v]

CNN = Clinton News Network.

Good first post right :icon_mrgr

Nice meeting you down at Norwalk Nick... I was the nerd that activated your account in the hotel parking lot...and then pushed your car up on the trailer after you said you wouldn't break anything... :icon_mrgr

[L98Terror]

Instead of me looking around and you calling BS like your some sort of Room monitor why don;t you look around. Maybe you could become more objective since your only intent is to slam and Bash anyone who holds a different set of values and opinions.

I am throwing you a bread crumb. follow the trail.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501210001
http://www.twf.org/News/Y1997/Fairness.html

What do those links have to do with your point? I'm talking about how the news is reported not who are the guests. Just because John Kerry is on the Rush Limbaugh show doesn't make that show lean to the left.

My objective is to slam and bash people who say things they can't back up, making up facts is not only wrong it's dangerous. What if someone read the things you post and believed them to be true it could happen think of all the people that believe Micheal Moore:icon_eek: Not to mention this thread is about the liberal Democrats censoring the media outlets.

BTW Opinions are fine that what causes good debates missrepresenting facts is a whole other issue. You can look around when a good arguement is made for a differing opinion than mine not only do I listen I've actually changed my stand.

[Sean124]

What do those links have to do with your point? I'm talking about how the news is reported not who are the guests. Just because John Kerry is on the Rush Limbaugh show doesn't make that show lean to the left.

My objective is to slam and bash people who say things they can't back up, making up facts is not only wrong it's dangerous. What if someone read the things you post and believed them to be true it could happen think of all the people that believe Micheal Moore:icon_eek: Not to mention this thread is about the liberal Democrats censoring the media outlets.

BTW Opinions are fine that what causes good debates missrepresenting facts is a whole other issue. You can look around when a good arguement is made for a differing opinion than mine not only do I listen I've actually changed my stand.

you didn't follow the trail. amazing. All one has to do is look around with eyes open to see which way the media generally slants. There is a good book i highly recomend reading it. What Liberal Media. Give it a whirl and continue the debate from there.

here is a link. Have an objective read.

http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/

[orangejuiced86]

I get all of my information from Geraldo.

[91trunk]

I get all of my information from Geraldo.

:roll:

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to orangejuiced86 again.

[uluz2a6]

My objective is to slam and bash people who say things they can't back up, making up facts is not only wrong it's dangerous.

So when are you going to "bash" BUSH?:dontknow:

http://www.workingforchange.com/webgraphics/WFC/TMW08-02-06.jpg

[L98Terror]

you didn't follow the trail. amazing. All one has to do is look around with eyes open to see which way the media generally slants. There is a good book i highly recomend reading it. What Liberal Media. Give it a whirl and continue the debate from there.

here is a link. Have an objective read.

http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/

Have you ever watched the news? It should be reported with no opinion whatsoever, just the facts. That isn't what happens. Either how right or left the media leans is a matter of opinion. We will need to agree to disagree on this topic but there is no question the media focuses on left leaning issues.

You will always see stories on human tragedy but rarely on human triumph, it's alway how big business is bad and the people get screwed. It geared tyo make people fell like they are victims and that plays into the left wing agenda.

BTW your link clearly states a case can be made either way and you really would need to decide what the middle is I do believe that America as a whole leans to the right and the middle that we normally refer to in the US is already right leaning.

[L98Terror]

So when are you going to "bash" BUSH?:dontknow:

Bush posts here:wink: What's his handle?


BTW Do you have a cartoon about about the dems threatening ABC?

[uluz2a6]

Bush posts here:wink: What's his handle?


It was a question for you

Originally Posted by L98Terror
My objective is to slam and bash people who say things they can't back up, making up facts is not only wrong it's dangerous.

Bush cannot backup what he says and he makes up facts it's wrong and dangerous... when are you gonna "bash" him?

[uluz2a6]

BTW Do you have a cartoon about about the dems threatening ABC?

Sure do!

http://www.bartcop.com/abc-always.jpg

[L98Terror]

It was a question for you

Originally Posted by L98Terror
My objective is to slam and bash people who say things they can't back up, making up facts is not only wrong it's dangerous.

Bush cannot backup what he says and he makes up facts it's wrong and dangerous... when are you gonna "bash" him?

On which point? Please start another thread for this. All of us say and post things that are wrong I have, when it is bought to your attention own up or state the source. Of course just because you have a sourse doen't make it right I've used bad sources before.:dontknow:

[Sean124]

Have you ever watched the news? It should be reported with no opinion whatsoever, just the facts. That isn't what happens. Either how right or left the media leans is a matter of opinion. We will need to agree to disagree on this topic but there is no question the media focuses on left leaning issues.

You will always see stories on human tragedy but rarely on human triumph, it's alway how big business is bad and the people get screwed. It geared tyo make people fell like they are victims and that plays into the left wing agenda.

BTW your link clearly states a case can be made either way and you really would need to decide what the middle is I do believe that America as a whole leans to the right and the middle that we normally refer to in the US is already right leaning.

Its not the storie but the way its covered. I agree however that journalism has become far to sensationalist but on the flip side our papers and media outlets are probobaly more objective then say the time of the revolution.They were definately very slanted then.

Second point why should the news be required to be objective ?? Fox certianly is anything but objective.