Reverse discrimination against heterosexuals???

[L98Terror]

My dad sent me this

Since I am now officially old; General Electric sent me a current copy of the benefits plans .. I don't know when this provision change was made since I haven't had the need to delve into this area..

Those that qualify for GE coverage :

A GE employee's spouse

A GE employee's same sex partner

Noticeable NOT covered ,

A GE employee's opposite sex partner

WHAT behavior is that intended to encourage or discourage ? and WHY


What do you guys think? BTW I was with my last girlfriend for 12 years and we lived together for 10 neither her nor my insurance would cover the other but they would cover your parner if he/she was of the same sex.:dontknow:

[Fryguy302]

That's fucked up. Especially when the tax man hits you harder when you get married?? I got married in 99, my wife made a little more than half what I made at the time, and we did the numbers, it WAS more expensive to get married.

[Sean124]

My dad sent me this



What do you guys think? BTW I was with my last girlfriend for 12 years and we lived together for 10 neither her nor my insurance would cover the other but they would cover your parner if he/she was of the same sex.:dontknow:

I can't truly speak for GE but i can see what they are doing. Since Homosexual marriage is illegal its the only way the can offer coverage to people who would get married if they could. The not covering the same sex partner thing implies that they assume girlfriends/boyfriends come and go. You do notice that they extend coverage to striaght married couples. I wonder what the burden of proof required is for a same sex partner ?

As for wether or not that is discriminatory is a hard call. Looking at the benifits package i think that would encourage people to get married.

[91trunk]

Ford does the same with A-plan. You can get your same sex partner a pin#, but you can't get your GF one.

Moral of the story. If you want to get your buddy a Pin# say you are gay. As long as you aren't married it should work. Just hope they don't want proof :lol:

[moneypit]

Keep voting Democrat its only gonna get worse. Remember its adam and eve not adam and steve

[L98Terror]

Ford does the same with A-plan. You can get your same sex partner a pin#, but you can't get your GF one.

Moral of the story. If you want to get your buddy a Pin# say you are gay. As long as you aren't married it should work. Just hope they don't want proof :lol:

No kidding if I wasn't married and needed Medical insurance that's what I would do or would do for a friend.

I can't truly speak for GE but i can see what they are doing. Since Homosexual marriage is illegal its the only way the can offer coverage to people who would get married if they could. The not covering the same sex partner thing implies that they assume girlfriends/boyfriends come and go. You do notice that they extend coverage to striaght married couples. I wonder what the burden of proof required is for a same sex partner ?

As for wether or not that is discriminatory is a hard call. Looking at the benifits package i think that would encourage people to get married.

Are you saying husbands and wives don't come and go? Most people don't stay married. I wondering how long it will be before people get a clue and just start saying they are gay for the benefits and then when they meet someone and get married just say they changed teams again. :dontknow:

[Sean124]

No kidding if I wasn't married and needed Medical insurance that's what I would do or would do for a friend.



Are you saying husbands and wives don't come and go? Most people don't stay married. I wondering how long it will be before people get a clue and just start saying they are gay for the benefits and then when they meet someone and get married just say they changed teams again. :dontknow:

I am not saying either way I am just presenting what my opinion of the policy and its motivations most likely are.This is not a black and white issue. Its a bizzare shade of grey. If you want my personal opinion here it is. If you are going to offer Gay couples health benefits then every couple, married or not should be eligable for those benifits. Its does creae unqiue challenges with enforcement of legetimate benifit claims again. Contacting GE corporation and asking some specifics about there health insurance policy might prove enlighting.

[mdhmi]

. Remember its adam and eve not adam and steve

What is? If you were born straight then great - good for you - but don't think that gives you an excuse to disparage people who weren't.

Ford does the same with A-plan. You can get your same sex partner a pin#, but you can't get your GF one.

Moral of the story. If you want to get your buddy a Pin# say you are gay.

I'm not sure how the Ford A-plan works, but if it's anything like partner benefits at the company that I work for you have to have the same legal address and sign a document that you have been a couple for at least one year.

The GE policy is -not- discrimination against straight people. Straight people have the option of legally marrying, gay people do not.

Straight people feeling discriminated against... Pffft. Give me a fucking break.

[91trunk]

The GE policy is -not- discrimination against straight people. Straight people have the option of legally marrying, gay people do not.

Straight people feeling discriminated against... Pffft. Give me a fucking break.

Well I why should they get the same rights as married people if it's not legal? I really don't care one way or another, but if it's not legal then they shouldn't get the same rights? :dontknow:

I'd have a better chance of getting a Dealership if I was a lesbian Black woman then a straight White man. How is that not discrimination?

[L98Terror]

The GE policy is -not- discrimination against straight people. Straight people have the option of legally marrying, gay people do not.

Straight people feeling discriminated against... Pffft. Give me a fucking break.


That is not true there are states where gay people can get married, so to cover same sex partners in a state that allows gay marriage and to not cover opposite sex partners in that same state in my opinion is discrimination.

I agree with what you are saying but there should be a clear policy for states that allow a civil union (marriage) and ones that don't.



BTW the company I worked for in Mass. had the same policy as stated above.

[mdhmi]

That is not true there are states where gay people can get married

Which AFAIK doesn't change anything from a federal tax or social security perspective. Also those marriages aren't recognized in Michigan.

Well I why should they get the same rights as married people if it's not legal?

Marriage isn't legal for gay people, that doesn't mean companies can't offer domestic partner benefits. Gay people often make excellent employees and the cost of providing partner benefits is very small. It makes good business sense..

I'd have a better chance of getting a Dealership if I was a lesbian Black woman then a straight White man. How is that not discrimination?

That -is- discrimination. That's an entirely different example.

There is a ballot in the Nov election that will give you an opportunity to vote against affirmative action.

[CMYZ28]

Gay people often make excellent employees and the cost of providing partner benefits is very small. It makes good business sense..

.

Isn't that very stereotypical :icon_mrgr lol

[91trunk]

Marriage isn't legal for gay people, that doesn't mean companies can't offer domestic partner benefits. Gay people often make excellent employees and the cost of providing partner benefits is very small. It makes good business sense..



That -is- discrimination. That's an entirely different example.

There is a ballot in the Nov election that will give you an opportunity to vote against affirmative action.

So straight people don't make good employees?

I'll be voting.

[mdhmi]

Isn't that very stereotypical :icon_mrgr lol

Nope. Simple statistics.

So straight people don't make good employees?

Straight employees are already offered the same benefits that some companies extend to gay people.

[BigWheelinBubba]

What is? If you were born straight then great - good for you - but don't think that gives you an excuse to disparage people who weren't.





This is just my opinion, take it with a grain of salt..

You weren't "born" gay. It was learned. If you were never exposed to it in your lifetime you'd never know what "gay" was.

[Sean124]

This is just my opinion, take it with a grain of salt..

You weren't "born" gay. It was learned. If you were never exposed to it in your lifetime you'd never know what "gay" was.


Hhhhmmm nature vs nuture ???

have a read

http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html

[BigWheelinBubba]

So i'm 1/2 right then :D

[mdhmi]

If you were never exposed to it in your lifetime you'd never know what "gay" was.

Only a straight person could believe that someone woke up one day and decided they were attracted to the same sex.

[Golden]

Thats gay. lmao

[patman]

This is just my opinion, take it with a grain of salt..

You weren't "born" gay. It was learned. If you were never exposed to it in your lifetime you'd never know what "gay" was.


X2

patman

[91trunk]

Only a straight person could believe that someone woke up one day and decided they were attracted to the same sex.

What about other animals? I've never seen a gay monkey. Well other then you :wink:

[mdhmi]

What about other animals? I've never seen a gay monkey. Well other then you :wink:

There are a number of documented cases involving gay animals.

[91trunk]

There are a number of documented cases involving gay animals.

The burden of proof is on you. Let's see it. I'm open minded.

[Golden]

The burden of proof is on you. Let's see it. I'm open minded.

:roll:

[BigWheelinBubba]

The ONLY way i would have POSSIBLY been born gay is if my dad was fucking my mom right as i was coming out, and he jammed his dick in my mouth by accident. :no:

[mdhmi]

The burden of proof is on you. Let's see it.

You've never seen the gay mallards in Saugatuck? :pow:

[RedXtcy]

The ONLY way i would have POSSIBLY been born gay is if my dad was fucking my mom right as i was coming out, and he jammed his dick in my mouth by accident. :no:
WHOA

[Crazzy_Al]

I experienced reverse discrimination when I worked at Nordstrom at the Somerset collection. The majority of the male employees that worked there were gay, I was straight, management was gay, etc. Sexual harassment like you wouldn't believe. Forget about complaining. So after 9 months or so, I just fucking quit the job.

[Crazzy_Al]

I'm open minded.
That's not new information.

[mdhmi]

I experienced reverse discrimination when I worked at Nordstrom at the Somerset collection.

How were you discriminated against by being straight? Were the gay employees just making you feel uncomfortable?

FWIW, Banana Republic is even better. :) :D

[Crazzy_Al]

How were you discriminated against by being straight? Were the gay employees just making you feel uncomfortable?

FWIW, Banana Republic is even better. :) :D
Uncomfortable? How about,

"Hey Alberto, are you wearing boxers today because it looks like you're really hanging low, I like"
"Hey Alberto, my partner and I are having a pool party this weekend and we'd like you to attend. Maybe see you in just swim shorts, make you a few stiff drinks and see if we can't get you change teams."
"Hey Alberto, can you come over here and try these pants on for a customer (no customers in site) you're about the same size as his son. Just take your pants off right here, it's fine."

And on, and on. It was never ending.

One time I took a guy who constantly made a "silly" ass remarks to me in the back room and confronted him about it. He played it off like it wasn't a big deal and that it was all in good fun. (fuck that, it wasn't!) The confrontation ended with a tub (4'x2' plastic container used to store/move items) of wooden coat hangers being throw across the stock room right at his chest.

I was friends with quite a few of the gay guys, and they joked too, but they knew where the line was and they seldom crossed it. The guys I had problems with with the uber queens. (who the cool gay gays even hated) Those bitches pissed me the fuck off.

[BigWheelinBubba]

I could see how Al could be mistaken for gay :hay:

Its the pink shirts and hair gel :roll:

"told ya he wanted to fuck me" :lol:

[Crazzy_Al]

I could see how Al could be mistaken for gay :hay:

Its the pink shirts and hair gel :roll:

"told ya he wanted to fuck me" :lol:
They knew I was straight. I slept with most of the women who worked there...and many of my female customers. It wasn't a secret.

[mdhmi]

I was friends with quite a few of the gay guys, and they joked too, but they knew where the line was and they seldom crossed it. The guys I had problems with with the uber queens. (who the cool gay gays even hated) Those bitches pissed me the fuck off.

Yea, I can appreciate that - I also know a few obnoxious queens. They probably thought it was just funny to tease you a little bit, that's fine to extent but you have to know your audience. It's not cool making someone feel uncomfortable, especially in the work place.

I remember a few days after I started a new job being introduced to some people in another group and overhearing someone ask if I was the gay guy. I was like WTF.

[little2v]

Well.. this is probably another one of those cases of not all the info being shared. Most of the large companies I know of that have that "same" policy have coverage for domestic partners/marriage of any sex... all you have to do is prove shared residency, and you get covered...

And Al... that is calling being hit on... you're working at a clothing store, dressing like you do... you're bound to set off someones gay dar... and those that work at a clothing store, are going to be the gayest of the gay..

[mdhmi]

Afterall, those are the people who lacked the skill to become hair dressers, or flight attendants. :lol:

[LITTLEMAGS]

:dontknow: DAMN...i was gay for about a month when i started here at the dealership...
(pretty-boy complex). I heard a couple rumors and thought it was damn funny. I guess the reason behind it....I work out, wear nice clothes, shave, oh yeah I wear cologne...must be gay then.

[Crazzy_Al]

...And Al... that is calling being hit on... you're working at a clothing store, dressing like you do... you're bound to set off someones gay dar... and those that work at a clothing store, are going to be the gayest of the gay..
Yeah, I set off the gaydar alarms. :rolleyes:

[Sean124]

The burden of proof is on you. Let's see it. I'm open minded.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexuality

Interesting stuff.

[L98Terror]

Well.. this is probably another one of those cases of not all the info being shared. Most of the large companies I know of that have that "same" policy have coverage for domestic partners/marriage of any sex... all you have to do is prove shared residency, and you get covered...

And Al... that is calling being hit on... you're working at a clothing store, dressing like you do... you're bound to set off someones gay dar... and those that work at a clothing store, are going to be the gayest of the gay..

Not true I went down that road with three different companies.



Question: If Straight people think being gay is a choice (as mark stated) do gay people think being straight is a choice also?

I also pose this question since the can of worms has been open...if it is truly a genetic thing how come most gay men have been with a woman at one point but most straight man haven't been with another man? I can only speak for myself but I'm not sure I could even get my equipment to work if I was given the option. But some how gay men have no issues sleeping with a woman. I would think if its not a choice a gay persons discuss of being with someone of the opposite sex would prevent them from ever doing it just like it prevents me from being with another man. No matter what social pressures are placed on me I would never be able to be with another man even if I wanted to "give it a try".

Enlighten me

[little2v]

I think you will find that a majority of "straight" men who are really gay try to live a straight life of lies, etc.. I'm sure there are those gay guys that tell people they are bi.. There might even be some straight guys that tell people they are gay...

Sexuality aside... There are plenty of people who experiment with both the same and opposite sex when they are younger... even if it is simple things, like watching a porn with some of your buddies and tugging on it a little bit with them, etc...

The Human brain tends to attempt to focus on trends that are comfortable to them... but the percentages and such are right there...

[CMYZ28]

Very interesting point Ken

[L98Terror]

I think you will find that a majority of "straight" men who are really gay try to live a straight life of lies, etc.. I'm sure there are those gay guys that tell people they are bi.. There might even be some straight guys that tell people they are gay...

Sexuality aside... There are plenty of people who experiment with both the same and opposite sex when they are younger... even if it is simple things, like watching a porn with some of your buddies and tugging on it a little bit with them, etc...

The Human brain tends to attempt to focus on trends that are comfortable to them... but the percentages and such are right there...

Back to my point if you are experimenting then you are making a conscious choice, correct? If it is a built in predisposition than people wouldn't be experimenting they would know:dontknow:

[Crazzy_Al]

I think you will find that a majority of "straight" men who are really gay try to live a straight life of lies, etc.. I'm sure there are those gay guys that tell people they are bi.. There might even be some straight guys that tell people they are gay...

Sexuality aside... There are plenty of people who experiment with both the same and opposite sex when they are younger... even if it is simple things, like watching a porn with some of your buddies and tugging on it a little bit with them, etc...

The Human brain tends to attempt to focus on trends that are comfortable to them... but the percentages and such are right there...
Wait? Straight guys saying they are gay?

Watching a porn with your male friend(s)? AND also tugging away on your cock while they are there?

WTF are you talking about here? Who the hell does that????!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Sean124]

Back to my point if you are experimenting then you are making a conscious choice, correct? If it is a built in predisposition than people wouldn't be experimenting they would know:dontknow:


http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/

according to the knisey institue there are varying degrees of sexuality.This is based on vary wide sexuality studys using vast amounts of data and subjects. They are the only institue I am aware of that has done research on such a wide scale. Do some reading and maybe you learn something new?You keep trying to black white the issue when maybe it isn't so black and white.

[Crazzy_Al]

I still don't understand how any straight guy could "experiment" with gay experiences. I can honestly say that the thought of 2 men engaging in sexual acts is quite disturbing to me. I don't mean to offend anyone here, but it's just not natural and it's hard for me to grasp. I'm not trying to slam anyone, I just don;t understand it. I mean, the parts just don't fit. You can't use one screwdriver to turn another.

Maybe because society sees experimental lesbianism as something that is mildly acceptable, I agree. (as long as it's not involving any female that is related to me) :lol: But at the same time, a woman's body is art. A man's body is just odd looking with stuff hanging off of it.

And as far as porn is concerned, I think that most straight guys have accepted the site of cock in a straight porn video/pix as a necessary evil.

[Sean124]

I still don't understand how any straight guy could "experiment" with gay experiences. I can honestly say that the thought of 2 men engaging in sexual acts is quite disturbing to me. I don't mean to offend anyone here, but it's just not natural and it's hard for me to grasp. I'm not trying to slam anyone, I just don;t understand it. I mean, the parts just don't fit. You can't use one screwdriver to turn another.

Maybe because society sees experimental lesbianism as something that is mildly acceptable, I agree. (as long as it's not involving any female that is related to me) :lol: But at the same time, a woman's body is art. A man's body is just odd looking with stuff hanging off of it.

And as far as porn is concerned, I think that most straight guys have accepted the site of cock in a straight porn video/pix as a necessary evil.

thats assuming that people are either straight or gay. The observations of the Kinsey institute directed a conclusion that most people are not straight or gay but somewhere inbetween.

[Crazzy_Al]

thats assuming that people are either straight or gay. The observations of the Kinsey institute directed a conclusion that most people are not straight or gay but somewhere inbetween.
I can understand not being able to decide on chicken or steak, but not being able to decide on whether you want to sleep with a male or female sounds like someone who needs a class or two on decission making skills.

[91trunk]

They knew I was straight. I slept with most of the women who worked there...and many of my female customers. It wasn't a secret.

Well that's a given. You are Crazy_Al after all :rolleyes:



I remember a few days after I started a new job being introduced to some people in another group and overhearing someone ask if I was the gay guy. I was like WTF.

Stop wearing bright Pink tights to work :D


:dontknow: DAMN...i was gay for about a month when i started here at the dealership...
(pretty-boy complex). I heard a couple rumors and thought it was damn funny. I guess the reason behind it....I work out, wear nice clothes, shave, oh yeah I wear cologne...must be gay then.

Your not gay? Damn all this time I thought Lisa was a beard for you. :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexuality

Interesting stuff.

Owned by the work filter.


I think you will find that a majority of "straight" men who are really gay try to live a straight life of lies, etc.. I'm sure there are those gay guys that tell people they are bi.. There might even be some straight guys that tell people they are gay...

Sexuality aside... There are plenty of people who experiment with both the same and opposite sex when they are younger... even if it is simple things, like watching a porn with some of your buddies and tugging on it a little bit with them, etc...

The Human brain tends to attempt to focus on trends that are comfortable to them... but the percentages and such are right there...


I've NEVER met any straight guy that says he is gay. Maybe as a joke, but never serious.

Tugging on it? :roll:

Trends that are comfortable? I thought you were born gay? Now it's a trend?

http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/

according to the knisey institue there are varying degrees of sexuality.This is based on vary wide sexuality studys using vast amounts of data and subjects. They are the only institue I am aware of that has done research on such a wide scale. Do some reading and maybe you learn something new?You keep trying to black white the issue when maybe it isn't so black and white.

But the arguement is always. Learn thinking vs. born with it.



Maybe because society sees experimental lesbianism as something that is mildly acceptable, I agree. (as long as it's not involving any female that is related to me) :lol: But at the same time, a woman's body is art. A man's body is just odd looking with stuff hanging off of it.


I agree that the female body is easier on the eyes. The curves and soft features. Men have more rough features. Well except Al because he is God's gift to himself :D

[Sean124]

I can understand not being able to decide on chicken or steak, but not being able to decide on whether you want to sleep with a male or female sounds like someone who needs a class or two on decission making skills.

Unlike other animals of which there is documented homosexuality the human species has a very different social structure. Sexuality in humans is more about social bonding. Do a bit of reading. there is tons of both genetic, biological and social behaviorists studys out there to indicate that most people are somewhere in between. I don't think that all sexual activity is about reproduction. Just look at hair metal and the massive male following. you can;t tell me that there isn't huge Homoerotic undertones there. Guys dressed like girls, girls dressed like guys, then there is the current Rap culture.

The fact is that most people are chicken and steak but and i say but that while you might not being willing to admit it things like football games on TV and group male activitys represent modern interpritations of homoerotic activitys.there are thousands of ways to draw parrellels.

[Sean124]

Owned by the work filter.











But the arguement is always. Learn thinking vs. born with it.





As for the owned by work filter check the link when you get home.

As for the learn vs born i think there are components of both. to say the answer is that straight forward is silly. I can give you a good example to prove that it might not be learn.

I had a very good friend throgh most of my youth whos parents were lesbians. Both he and his brother were striaght. However his dads new wife has a teenage duaghter who is gay and is totally unrealated and his wife is striaght.

Figure that one out.

I also have a straight neighbor who has 2 gay kids ??

[91trunk]

I also have a straight neighbor who has 2 gay kids ??

I work with a guy that is gay. His sister is a lesbian. Father and Mother are straight. I just think the brains got switched. :lol:

[CMYZ28]

I work with a guy that is gay. His sister is a lesbian. Father and Mother are straight. I just think the brains got switched. :lol:

lol that was my old boss.. identical situation haha

[mdhmi]

do gay people think being straight is a choice also?

Absolutely not.

how come most gay men have been with a woman at one point but most straight man haven't been with another man?

I disagree with that "most" gay men have slept with women.

I would think if its not a choice a gay persons discuss of being with someone of the opposite sex would prevent them from ever doing it just like it prevents me from being with another man.

Mind over matter? Kinsey 3 or 4 perhaps..

WTF are you talking about here? Who the hell does that????!?!?!?!?!?!?

Gay teens. :lol:

[L98Terror]

http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/

according to the knisey institue there are varying degrees of sexuality.This is based on vary wide sexuality studys using vast amounts of data and subjects. They are the only institue I am aware of that has done research on such a wide scale. Do some reading and maybe you learn something new?You keep trying to black white the issue when maybe it isn't so black and white.
Sure it is it's either a choice or it's not.

Either way I really don't care I'm just asking a question and I don't want to read any studies because they can be skewed either way because they are not based on hard facts.


And for the record if I was a Female I would chose to be gay:badass:

[L98Terror]

I disagree with that "most" gay men have slept with women.



Ok maybe it just a perception because of all the media coverage of people that used to be married and now say they are gay.

Not really sure how to know either way.

[CMYZ28]

And for the record if I was a Female I would chose to be gay:badass:

I'd just hope u were a smoker too!! lmfao

[mdhmi]

Ok maybe it just a perception because of all the media coverage of people that used to be married and now say they are gay.

Those people were living a lie for decades. Pretty sad really.

I used to know someone who was married with kids and liked to go out to a particular bar every Tuesday. I asked him what the deal was and he said he didn't want to spend his life alone. If you realize how few gay people are in long term relationships you can appreicate where he was coming from.

He said he loves his family and Tuesday nights were his night out to do, ummm - whatever.

[Crazzy_Al]

Those people were living a lie for decades. Pretty sad really.

I used to know someone who was married with kids and liked to go out to a particular bar every Tuesday. I asked him what the deal was and he said he didn't want to spend his life alone. If you realize how few gay people are in long term relationships you can appreicate where he was coming from.

He said he loves his family and Tuesday nights were his night out to do, ummm - whatever.
I'm willing to bet that the "gay guy who used to be married" scenario is more common than people think. One of the gay guys I was cool with at Nordstrom was previously engaged to 4 different women. And his life partner was previously married for many years...and has two kids with his ex-wife. :eek: :icon_eek: WTF?!?!?!?!?

I wanna say that the guy's name who was engaged 4 times was Scott...maybe Steve. Maybe you know him. Don't all of you gay guys know each other? ;) :lol:

[91trunk]

Those people were living a lie for decades. Pretty sad really.

I used to know someone who was married with kids and liked to go out to a particular bar every Tuesday. I asked him what the deal was and he said he didn't want to spend his life alone. If you realize how few gay people are in long term relationships you can appreicate where he was coming from.

He said he loves his family and Tuesday nights were his night out to do, ummm - whatever.

So he was cheating on his wife that he "loved"? Doesn't sound like he loved her very much. :dontknow:

[little2v]

My point with the trend statement is that the mind sees what it wants to see...

Meaning, if you believe one thing, you are going to see more of that thing, and ignore the others...

Case in point: How many times have you seen a new car, then all of a sudden you see them everywhere? Or you never see Car X until you buy it, suddenly you see it everywhere..

If you don't want to believe that gay guys are a small percentage, or that straight guys don't experiment... it is because you are chosing to not see the facts... it happens, like it or not...

You also miss the biggest piece of info... choice... Although we might be born a certain way, it is within our mental abilities to suppress thoughts and control them...

We all have the ability to kill someone, we all have survival instincts, etc... but we know that it is wrong, etc, so most of us don't act on it...

Same thing with being gay, you may be born with an attraction, but your upbringing prevents you from ever recognizing it, etc... Or like some things, if it is genetic, it could remain dormant until after puberty, etc...

Some people are born with an attraction to younger folk, but they never act on it because it is wrong... some act on it because they can't control themselves...

So yeah, I think someone is born with a genetic attraction, they just sometimes choose to control it on either a conscious (what will my friends think of me?) or unconscious (growing up seeing gay guys bashed, told it is wrong via religion, etc) level..

The reputable data is out there... YOU may not have fooled around when you are younger, or maybe you don't consider what you did experimenting, or you just choose to deny it happened... but a very large percentage of teenage boys do experiment in some form with another teenage boy...

[Crazzy_Al]

...but a very large percentage of teenage boys do experiment in some form with another teenage boy...
Is there something you'd like to tell us, Brandon? Maybe take some of that weight off of your shoulders?

[little2v]

Is there something you'd like to tell us, Brandon? Maybe take some of that weight off of your shoulders?

Yes Al, Nick and I are getting married. :dontknow:

[CMYZ28]

Yes Al, Nick and I are getting married. :dontknow:

Well finger fuck me with a hang nail, that's news to me.. I guess congrats to myself!!!

[mdhmi]

I wanna say that the guy's name who was engaged 4 times was Scott...maybe Steve. Maybe you know him. Don't all of you gay guys know each other? ;) :lol:

Doesn't ring a bell. The person I'm thinking of was an older guy (his kids were of high school age and this was at least five years ago).

So he was cheating on his wife that he "loved"? Doesn't sound like he loved her very much. :dontknow:

I'm sure he did. It's funny how people can rationalize things. I'm really not sure what type of arrangement he had with his wife.

Nice guy, but a bit of a sleaze. Lots of money and dressed like a janitor. I think he owned Happy Tap at one point (now defunct). He would provide apartments for some of his stripper friends, etc. Kinda bizarre.

YOU may not have fooled around when you are younger, or maybe you don't consider what you did experimenting, or you just choose to deny it happened... but a very large percentage of teenage boys do experiment...

I think the "innocent" experimentation is often prepubescent (playing doctor type stuff) .. I think the so-called teenage "experimentation" is often just an attempt to validate a deeper fascination with the same sex.

[Performance Red Dale]

I think once you eat meat, you cant call yourself a vegatarian anymore. Ever.

[Crazzy_Al]

I think once you eat meat, you cant call yourself a vegatarian anymore. Ever.
:lol: :roll:

[L98Terror]

I think once you eat meat, you cant call yourself a vegatarian anymore. Ever.
That's kind of what I was thinking:wink:

[ASRoff]

It's just masterbation you cant procreate. So how is basic Darwinian survival play into this?

Shouldent the survival of a species? be taken into account. could it be a chemical imbalance in the brain? What makes one human decide to kill another?




oh



and



I'm for gay marrage





as long as both chicks are hot:icon_mrgr


*******disclamer*******

First part serious second part:dontknow: hey I'm an equal opptunity asshole

FUCKING BREEDERS!!!!!!!!!!:icon_mrgr

[ASRoff]

Seriously arent we all just a mass of chemicals and electrical charges who want the spiecies to continue?

I see gay as an anomaly (for a lack of a better term) against survival.


Enlighten me gay panel. Tell us how you first "discoverd" your attraction to men.

My best friend growing up (my father and his father grew up togather) said he had sexual relations with his cousin at the age of 12 (the cousin was 19) so I dont think statutory rape is a good start. He has even confided with me that he still "isent right" with the whole situation.

I can say that He became quite diffrent after the trip down to florida that summer when he was 12. I dident really make the connection untill he came out of the closet and we spoke about it at length.

When he left he was a happy normal kid but when he got back he became (what we used to call in Jr. highschool) a squid. Wore Black cloths and black fingernail polish. He was always doom and gloom. Hell, I remember the day he called me up and said he dident want to be my friend anymore.

Then in highschool all that seemed to change he started hanging around and actually liked cars again (we always had cars in common played matchboxes in the hallways growing up) Albet strange cars that most of us werent really into (lincolins and caddies and 71 T-birds) we were into muscle cars and exotics.


shortly before I left for the navy, My mother a another friend and I sat down one day to discuss this persons predicament He rarely dated and when he did his relationships lasted a few weeks. And we seriously asked ourselfs Is he gay?

I found out two years into my tour of duty when he called up one day and told me. (his parents still dont know.)

Thats my exposure to the gay side of the world.

This friend now lives with his "roomate" as far as his parents are concerned.

[TT/A1233]

By Brian Rohrbough, father of one of the students killed in the 1999 Columbine High School massacre (http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/littleton/index_1.html) in Colorado:

"I'm saddened and shaken by the shooting at an Amish school today and last week's school murders [in Bailey, Colorado]. When my son Dan was murdered on the sidewalk at Columbine High School on April 20, 1999, I hoped that would be the last school shooting. Since that day, I tried to answer the question, "Why did this happen?"

This country is in a moral freefall. For over two generations, the public school system has taught in a moral vacuum, expelling God from the school and from the government, replacing him with evolution, where the strong kill the weak without moral consequences. And life has no inherent value. We teach there are no absolutes, no right or wrong, and I assure you the murder of innocent children is always wrong, including by abortion. Abortion has diminished the value of children. Suicide has become an acceptable action and has further emboldened these criminals. We're seeing an epidemic increase in murder/suicide attacks on our children.

Sadly, our schools are not safe. In fact, we now witness that within our schools, our children have become a target of terrorists from within the United States."
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[mdhmi]

I found out two years into my tour of duty when he called up one day and told me. (his parents still dont know.)

There is knowing and then there is knowing, as my pops said. Some things are better left unsaid. Often nothing to gain by telling the rents.

Thats my exposure to the gay side of the world.

Rest assured there are many normal well adjusted people on both teams out there. :wink:

This friend now lives with his "roomate" as far as his parents are concerned.

Ahhh yes, the Bert and Ernie cover. They've lived together for twenty years and take baths together, but aren't gay. :laugh:

[Crazzy_Al]

By Brian Rohrbough, father of one of the students killed in the 1999 Columbine High School massacre (http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/littleton/index_1.html) in Colorado:

"I'm saddened and shaken by the shooting at an Amish school today and last week's school murders [in Bailey, Colorado]. When my son Dan was murdered on the sidewalk at Columbine High School on April 20, 1999, I hoped that would be the last school shooting. Since that day, I tried to answer the question, "Why did this happen?"

This country is in a moral freefall. For over two generations, the public school system has taught in a moral vacuum, expelling God from the school and from the government, replacing him with evolution, where the strong kill the weak without moral consequences. And life has no inherent value. We teach there are no absolutes, no right or wrong, and I assure you the murder of innocent children is always wrong, including by abortion. Abortion has diminished the value of children. Suicide has become an acceptable action and has further emboldened these criminals. We're seeing an epidemic increase in murder/suicide attacks on our children.

Sadly, our schools are not safe. In fact, we now witness that within our schools, our children have become a target of terrorists from within the United States."

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[Crazzy_Al]

There is knowing and then there is knowing, as my pops said. Some things are better left unsaid. Often nothing to gain by telling the rents.
My brother-in-law told me, his sisters, his parents, and I think my wife's mother's mother knows he's gay. I could be wrong about grandma on my wife's mom's side. But I know that my wife's uncle, and her mom's dad do not know. There have been more than a few family gatherings where they have made mention of "faggots" or "queens" in front of my brother-in-law and I have had to interject with some kind of unbias response to their comments in an attempt to end their talk of gays. I feel bad for my bother-in-law when shit like that is said in front of him.