How about some more abilities in the Swap Meet? [Archive]

PavementPounder

11-17-2008, 09:11 AM

Negative. It has been my experience marking them as SOLD and leaving the information public is the best way to go.

This information has proved invaluable in the event there is a discrepancy with the deal or someone is ripped off.

That's fine and a valid point which always comes up when this topic is discussed. Its also the reason why some sites have a locked Completed Sales Forum that sold items get moved to just for that reason. However, those sites usually employ iTrader as well. There's also a difference between a user soft delete and a hard delete from the database. My suggestion was referring to a soft delete, which merely removes the thread from public view and from searches. Mods can undelete it at any time - it doesn't actually "go" anywhere.

PM a moderator and have them edit the thread title itself for best results :cheers:

PMing a Moderator to edit a thread title seems rather trivial - kind of like needing them to hold your hand while crossing the street. Users are already allowed to edit their posts to the point of replacing everything they typed with a simple "." that essentially represents a post deletion (for all practical purposes). Is being able to edit the thread title really any different?

PavementPounder

12-12-2008, 12:28 AM

:cowbell:

Joe

12-12-2008, 07:57 AM

That's fine and a valid point which always comes up when this topic is discussed. Its also the reason why some sites have a locked Completed Sales Forum that sold items get moved to just for that reason. However, those sites usually employ iTrader as well. There's also a difference between a user soft delete and a hard delete from the database. My suggestion was referring to a soft delete, which merely removes the thread from public view and from searches. Mods can undelete it at any time - it doesn't actually "go" anywhere.

PMing a Moderator to edit a thread title seems rather trivial - kind of like needing them to hold your hand while crossing the street. Users are already allowed to edit their posts to the point of replacing everything they typed with a simple "." that essentially represents a post deletion (for all practical purposes). Is being able to edit the thread title really any different?
I don't see PM'ing a mod trivial at all. Think about the small number of For Sale threads and those that end up sold. We've done things that way on FullSizeChevy.com, that gets a tremendous level of traffic on a national scale and it works out fine :D

FBODGRL

12-12-2008, 09:07 AM

How about no.

91trunk

12-12-2008, 09:56 AM

It would be nice if we could delete our sold items in those Forums, or at least be able edit the title to indicate thre item has been sold. Right now, editing the title of the first post in your own thread does not change the thread title in the Forum Index. (I like to clean up after myself. :thefinger)

It would be nice if you became a PAID member of the board instead of using this as your personal Craigs List. I did a quick scan of your 133 posts. Close to 99% of them have been in the F/S section.

While you aren't breaking any board rules, this is a car club that happenes to have a message forum. You have done nothing to become part of the car club, instead you found a new place to pedal you items for sale.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is "NO".

Thanks and have a great day! :thumbsup:

347convert

12-12-2008, 09:09 PM

So I guess what I'm trying to say is "NO".

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/347convert/how_about_no.jpg

PavementPounder

12-12-2008, 10:06 PM

I don't see PM'ing a mod trivial at all. Think about the small number of For Sale threads and those that end up sold. We've done things that way on FullSizeChevy.com, that gets a tremendous level of traffic on a national scale and it works out fine :D

That's part of the problem here and also the reason why I made an alternate suggestion regarding editing. You can't look in the Forum Indexes for the Garage Sale and Yard Sale and identify sold items since the titles can't even be changed.

I can point out boards all day long that get a "tremendous level of traffic on a national scale" and allow deletions because they don't need their Forums becoming a clusterfuck of useless threads. Pirate and JeepForum come to mind. I'd also point out NAXJA, who effectively murdered their own national classifieds by not recognizing when change was beneficial.

It would be nice if you became a PAID member of the board instead of using this as your personal Craigs List. I did a quick scan of your 133 posts. Close to 99% of them have been in the F/S section.

It would be nice if you would pay attention to detail and look more closely at your search results before you open your mouth. (http://motownmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85103) I made an active effort to look into Club Membership some time ago, pointed out a rather obvious issue with it, it was acknowledged, and nothing was done about it. I'm a paid member or otherwise employed (Mod) on every board that I belong to that actually has a paid membership, but I don't hand anyone money if they cannot define what I will get for it. Right now a potential customer is giving you benchmark information regarding how you "measure up". Not everybody finds value in the same features.

This thread was a good, civil, productive discussion until you decided you needed to post a douchebag response. Thanks and have a great day!:thumbsup:

Joe

12-12-2008, 10:11 PM

PavementPounder

12-12-2008, 10:21 PM

Do you see a "clusterfuck of useless threads" in the classified areas here on Motown?

Yes, I do. All you have to do is browse around a bit.

I would volunteer to work here since I believe that people should never suggest change that requires work if they aren't willing to do it themselves, but that just draws the usual "want to take over the world" comments from people.

Technically, this item is still for sale. Looks like a pretty active member. Do you think it still is?

http://motownmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32308

Joe

12-12-2008, 10:27 PM

Yes, I do. All you have to do is browse around a bit.

I would volunteer to work here since I believe that people should never suggest change that requires work if they aren't willing to do it themselves, but that just draws the usual "want to take over the world" comments from people.

Technically, this item is still for sale. Looks like a pretty active member. Do you think it still is?

http://motownmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32308

Considering that post is from 2006, one would safely assume that item is no longer available or just ask ;)
I don't see an issue.

jsxtreme

12-13-2008, 08:39 AM

That's part of the problem here and also the reason why I made an alternate suggestion regarding editing. You can't look in the Forum Indexes for the Garage Sale and Yard Sale and identify sold items since the titles can't even be changed.

I can point out boards all day long that get a "tremendous level of traffic on a national scale" and allow deletions because they don't need their Forums becoming a clusterfuck of useless threads. Pirate and JeepForum come to mind. I'd also point out NAXJA, who effectively murdered their own national classifieds by not recognizing when change was beneficial.

This website is a tool used by CLUB MEMBERS. The for sale section is suppose to be a tool used by our club members to help each other out, and sell some things others might need. It's not craigslist, it's not ebay, it's not tradin times, and it's not national. We let other non paid members like yourself sell things here, after they become active in other ways than just selling shit, out of courtesy. It's not a right, it's a privledge.

There are some rules, and we encourage people to police themself by using the report post button.

As far as member benifits go, they're right here: http://motownmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86862

Please note that message board upgrades are just a very, very small reason to join here. People don't become members to get a bigger avatar, they do so to participate in racing, get help from sponsors, and other events.

This is a Car Club (that's really more a big group of friends) that has a message board, not the other way around.

PavementPounder

12-13-2008, 10:49 AM

Considering that post is from 2006, one would safely assume that item is no longer available or just ask ;)
I don't see an issue.

Yeah? Its almost 2009 and my Matco tool box has been listed since January. (Finally took a deposit yesterday. :cheers:) Had I not been bumping it, would you assume that had been sold, too?

You still have to burn time by asking and waiting for a response that may never come. In the meantime, you're then faced with the dilemma of whether you should move on to a perhaps not-as-great deal. That's the mentality that wastes both the poster and the shopper's time, never allowing for beneficial changes. There zero drawbacks to title editing. If there is only an upside to a modification, "I don't see an issue" really isn't much justification to not do it aside from the Admins not wanting to bother doing it.

This website is a tool used by CLUB MEMBERS. The for sale section is suppose to be a tool used by our club members to help each other out, and sell some things others might need. It's not craigslist, it's not ebay, it's not tradin times, and it's not national. We let other non paid members like yourself sell things here, after they become active in other ways than just selling shit, out of courtesy. It's not a right, it's a privledge.

Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, there are two sides to every transaction - the guy who has something to sell, buyer that benefits from getting what they need. Take away either, and you lose both. When dealing with a Classifieds Forum, its important to understand that concept as anybody that brings something to the table in the form of an item to sell represents a potential benefit to Club Members, regardless of whether the seller himself is a Club Member. Not all the items I have listed here have been sold on MM, but some of them have. Some assisted people in finishing their garage remodeling, some have been Christmas presents for parents, and some have even been evenly traded so that both of us benefited.

There are some rules, and we encourage people to police themself by using the report post button.

If that's the policy you prefer, that's fine and I'll do that - but that's not the definition of "policing one's self". That's requiring help from someone else to do anything. I just think its stupid to send out multiple emails to Admins/Mods by reporting a post just to get a title edited to "sold" (so as to not waste other people's time) or deleted because it was sold elsewhere.

As far as member benefits go, they're right here: http://motownmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86862

Please note that message board upgrades are just a very, very small reason to join here. People don't become members to get a bigger avatar, they do so to participate in racing and other events.

Well, sure. But is there any reason Message Board Upgrades can't become a bigger reason to join the Club? I mean, why would you want to limit the reasons for joining?

This is a Car Club (that's really more a big group of friends) that has a message board, not the other way around.

This may sound odd to you, but by the numbers that does not appear to be the case. You have 4175 registered users on the Member List and only 485 Club Members listed in the Membership Summary thread you linked to. Only 12% of the users here are Club Members. Is growing the Club something you are interested in doing? If so, the strategy should be too look at what that other 88% is doing and find out what they would like to see (so that you can get more of them into the Club).

PavementPounder

12-13-2008, 10:51 AM

Almost forgot...

Dear PavementPounder,

You have received a warning at Motown Muscle.

Reason:
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Insulted Other Member(s)

Don't let it happen again or you will be on the outside looking in. :thumbsup:

Sorry if you're pissed that you didn't do your homework and took the wrong approach with dealing with an issue that wasn't a "problem" for anyone, but I didn't say anything untrue. Don't want to be insulted? Don't be insulting. This was shady:

Calling me a douchebag just got you neg rep and an infraction. Have a great day 91trunk

Joe

12-13-2008, 11:02 AM

jsxtreme's post above summed it up pretty well ;)

jsxtreme

12-13-2008, 11:16 AM

Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, there are two sides to every transaction - the guy who has something to sell, buyer that benefits from getting what they need. Take away either, and you lose both. When dealing with a Classifieds Forum, its important to understand that concept as anybody that brings something to the table in the form of an item to sell represents a potential benefit to Club Members, regardless of whether the seller himself is a Club Member. Not all the items I have listed here have been sold on MM, but some of them have. Some assisted people in finishing their garage remodeling, some have been Christmas presents for parents, and some have even been evenly traded so that both of us benefited.

Well thats great. You made some money off selling some stuff on here. Maybe one day you can pitch in and help the club out. Just be more than some guy who comes here just to sell his stuff. Maybe come to a track rental. Then, and ONLY THEN will you understand what this is all about.

Again, it's not craigslist, it's not ebay, it's not tradin times, and it's not national. We let other non paid members like yourself sell things here, after they become active in other ways than just selling shit, out of courtesy. It's not a right, it's a privledge.

If that's the policy you prefer, that's fine and I'll do that - but that's not the definition of "policing one's self". That's requiring help from someone else to do anything. I just think its stupid to send out multiple emails to Admins/Mods by reporting a post just to get a title edited to "sold" (so as to not waste other people's time) or deleted because it was sold elsewhere.

Just change your OP to say sold. Why do you need the thread title changed?

It takes all of .05 seconds to click into a thread, see it's sold, and click back out.

If you don't like it, don't sell items here. Simple as that.

Well, sure. But is there any reason Message Board Upgrades can't become a bigger reason to join the Club? I mean, why would you want to limit the reasons for joining?

I'm always looking for ways to encourage our growth. But the message board improvments are left up to Brandon. With what time we have, we make the most of it. Life comes before the car club. I spend the time and money I donate to different things. Car shows, helping to keep the club records in order and stuff like that.

This may sound odd to you, but by the numbers that does not appear to be the case. You have 4175 registered users on the Member List and only 485 Club Members listed in the Membership Summary thread you linked to. Only 12% of the users here are Club Members. Is growing the Club something you are interested in doing? If so, the strategy should be too look at what that other 88% is doing and find out what they would like to see (so that you can get more of them into the Club).

Well thats easy for you to say, since you're involvment is only limted to selling and buying items. You're clueless.

jsxtreme

12-13-2008, 11:26 AM

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Yep. I can see the only reason you're here.

PavementPounder

12-13-2008, 04:12 PM

I'm always looking for ways to encourage our growth. But the message board improvements are left up to Brandon. With what time we have, we make the most of it. Life comes before the car club. I spend the time and money I donate to different things. Car shows, helping to keep the club records in order and stuff like that.

I know life gets in the way, but that's not the feedback being given here. Now that you have brought up this point, the resistance up until now sounded more like "that's a bad idea because...". This post makes the resistance sound more like "don't want to bother" or "I don't have time". Like I mentioned a while ago, the concerns about deleting threads were valid. Still haven't seen a reason why thread title editing would be bad in any way other than temporarily creating some more work for someone. If someone had said, "That's available in vBulletin. Maybe we can work that into the next round of changes", I would have stopped in my tracks as the consideration of functionality that is beneficial to the membership is what this was all about.

Well thats easy for you to say, since you're involvment is only limted to selling and buying items. You're clueless.

Heard that before. Has nothing to do with whether the points made are objective and relevant.

Its easy for me to say because I was directly involved in the growth and evolution of a Classified section on another local board which started at the very end of 2005. This other board has a paid membership option, organized events, and supports charities as well. By catering to the membership and recognizing that the desires to learn and improve/modify their vehicles are the largest reasons that cause people to go out on the web in search of other enthusiasts who share common interests, Classifieds and Tech were given priority. Due to the resulting high traffic in their Classifieds Forums, more people come to the board, more people stay on the board, paid memberships grow at a higher rate, and more people participate - expanding that site's abilities as a whole.

"Clueless" is dismissing the point that you have a considerable captive market already on the board. Any of the 88% that are already here are more likely to become paid Club Members than someone not currently on MM - myself included.

I'm a gearhead. I like power & speed like many people here. I own multiple vehicles, both naturally and non-naturally aspirated, and with both 2 and 4-wheels. I only have one listed here (although I don't recall putting it in the Video Forum when I created that thread) since people would most likely assign in inaccurate stereotype to me if I posted the others, but none of them are really suited for drag racing, aren't easily repaired, and not things I want to risk damaging on a track. My powertrain knowledge also lies in the AMC world, which does not get much use here.

I don't participate much not because my primary interest lies in making money off the members. Its because MM doesn't have a lot to offer me in particular (I realize it does not have to). I started this thread because I'm looking to find some more reasons to join (site easier to use = more time spent on site). The weekly get-together in Brighton interested me, but the Pontiac didn't come out all year. The Garage Crawl also sounded good and I threw in my suggestion for transportation since I have a connection to it, but that didn't get off the ground, either.

That being said, I don't care if people dislike me. It doesn't mean I am incapable of being objective or doing the right thing when its required. I may be abrasive in the eyes of some people, but my personality has no bearing on my ethical or "business" standards and it has not a damn thing to do with whether I will try to screw you on a deal. This is the flaw with the Reputation System that allows it to be abused, as we saw here today by a Moderator (at least I think so).

steve581581

12-13-2008, 04:40 PM

maybe i missed something but this whole thread is kind of rediculus and is getting out of hand... on one hand all pavementpounder did was ask about the ability to erase a thread that one has started and has gotten some flack about only wanting to sell things here... pm'ing a mod is very simple... two weeks ago i sent 91trunk a pm asking him to delete a thread because i didnt want to sell my car anymore... within an hour it was gone, he was very fast about acknowledging my request... on the other hand a few people almost attacked him because he doesnt interact on the site except to sell his items... this may be true but im sure some members have benefited from his sales... im not condoning using this site for selling purposes only as i come on here almost everyday... but i have seen some very good deals by some members who dont contribute to alot of threads... i dont mean to start any trouble i just think this should be dropped before it gets too far out of hand and people get pissed off

just my opinion
steve

347convert

12-13-2008, 05:16 PM

If I ever have an issue I just PM a mod, I usually bother trunk about it. I have never had a problem, and my issue is always attended to quickly and an explination is delivered.

PavementPounder

12-14-2008, 12:16 PM

Okay, I made a contribution to the MM community. (http://motownmuscle.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=23) :smokin:

91trunk

12-14-2008, 01:10 PM

Almost forgot...

Sorry if you're pissed that you didn't do your homework and took the wrong approach with dealing with an issue that wasn't a "problem" for anyone, but I didn't say anything untrue. Don't want to be insulted? Don't be insulting. This was shady:

Didn't do my homework? Changing a thread title is as easy as PM'ing a mod. If the mod decides that title should be changed it's done. Not changing a thread title can help members. Just in case there is an issue after the sale.

It's great that you are selling things and maybe your stuff has help our members, but the board is fine without the changes you want.

Why was that shady? It would have been shady if I didn't sign my name. :thumbsup:

Oh and BTW if you were looking for the benefits of becoming a paid member and couldn't find them, PM'ing a Mod or even posting a thread could have helped. You seem very forum savy, I would think you could have figured that out. :dontknow:

PavementPounder

12-15-2008, 08:05 AM

Didn't do my homework? Changing a thread title is as easy as PM'ing a mod. If the mod decides that title should be changed it's done. Not changing a thread title can help members. Just in case there is an issue after the sale.

You already allow the full editing of all posts, so members can completely remove all the important info in all of their posts in any Classified thread. so editing the title makes no difference. I already made that point. Catch up.

It's great that you are selling things and maybe your stuff has help our members, but the board is fine without the changes you want.

Kind of like how the domestic automakers were fine without any improvements? "Not being broke" isn't a very good reason to not make improvements. But hey, if you don't want to make MM a better place for the membership, that's cool with me.

Why was that shady? It would have been shady if I didn't sign my name. :thumbsup:

No, it was pretty shady of you to assign negative rep because you got all in a huff about being called out when you were called out appropriately. This thread was a civil discussion about site functionality until your unethical and unprofessional ass jumped into it.

Oh and BTW if you were looking for the benefits of becoming a paid member and couldn't find them, PM'ing a Mod or even posting a thread could have helped. You seem very forum savy, I would think you could have figured that out. :dontknow:

Oh, BTW - I apparently am more forum savvy than you are. :gr_grin: Again, you should do your homework before opening your mouth. I'll help you out a bit:

http://motownmuscle.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1354016&postcount=4

That thread is just a few lines down from this one. Read it. Check the date vs. the thread that Jsxtreme posted. Nice try.

lab1702

12-15-2008, 08:58 AM

Why are you still arguing so much about this?

If it's just to annoy 91trunk, then +1 to you. :roll:

91trunk

12-15-2008, 03:58 PM

You already allow the full editing of all posts, so members can completely remove all the important info in all of their posts in any Classified thread. so editing the title makes no difference. I already made that point. Catch up.

If it were a problem, it would have been addressed. You're the ONLY one that has ever wanted to change this. Everyone else just sends a simple PM to the Mods. The Mods here are always quick to respond to our members. It's really simple, try and keep up

Kind of like how the domestic automakers were fine without any improvements? "Not being broke" isn't a very good reason to not make improvements. But hey, if you don't want to make MM a better place for the membership, that's cool with me.

How about you run for a position next time we have elections. Until then don't do anything for the club and continue to keep post your stuff for sale. :thumbsup:

No, it was pretty shady of you to assign negative rep because you got all in a huff about being called out when you were called out appropriately. This thread was a civil discussion about site functionality until your unethical and unprofessional ass jumped into it.

Calling someone a douchebag isn't appropriately. Don't know why you think it would be. :dontknow: Unethical? Please!!! You don't know me.

Oh, BTW - I apparently am more forum savvy than you are. :gr_grin: Again, you should do your homework before opening your mouth. I'll help you out a bit:

http://motownmuscle.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1354016&postcount=4

That thread is just a few lines down from this one. Read it. Check the date vs. the thread that Jsxtreme posted. Nice try.

I grabbed the wrong thread. My bad.

The answer is still "NO" and it's not going to change.

Have a great day.

Why are you still arguing so much about this?

If it's just to annoy 91trunk, then +1 to you. :roll:

I would assume he is bored. :dontknow:

As for it annoying me, not really. I don't have much going on, so responding at my leisure is fine with me.

smooth

12-15-2008, 05:22 PM

He's aquired a nice amount of negative rep in a short amount of time, -1 for you from me :)

PavementPounder

12-16-2008, 01:54 AM

Trunk, I don't know what you "grabbed", but that's the second time I linked to that thread and I still think you do not have a clue as to what the point was. I have been looking into Membership for a while and pointed out something rather obvious that the site was lacking. That in itself was pretty beneficial to the rest of you, as MM now has the sticky in the Pub to recruit people with. How long would it have taken for a summary like that to have been compiled if I had not opened my mouth?

Battering me about joining the Club in order for suggestions to be considered (wtf?) isn't exactly a good sales tactic and being a dick to me because I'm not a Club Member after I asked a rather important question about Membership Benefits was stupid (that's what I meant by "do your homework"), because I'll never give you any of my money at this point. I hope people read this thread just to see what the "Negative Feedback guy" said to earn it all in the first place. Then they'll see how non-Club Members get treated around here when they try to do things that are beneficial to the board. So much for proving one's self. I guess sending in $ and buying friends is the way to go. :gr_jest:

He's aquired a nice amount of negative rep in a short amount of time, -1 for you from me :)

Yeah, I did. I use the board exactly the way it was designed to be used. If the Mods and Admins don't like that and are going to use the non-Club Members activity against them, what's the point of trying to use the board the way it was designed at all? Guess you all forgot about this post below?

http://motownmuscle.com/forums/image.php?u=5&dateline=1211215991

http://motownmuscle.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1176216&postcount=1

Holy Xenu on a pogo stick!
I'm getting REALLY fucking sick of the n00b bashing that goes on here. There's no need to jump down someone's throat for asking a simple question, or because he doesn't have thousands of posts.

A little good-natured hazing is fine. But knock off the flaming just because someones wants to buy or sell something. I DO NOT want this club to be known as "the bunch of assholes" because of the way some of you treat new people. If you persist, there WILL be repercussions.

Thank you. Have a nice day. :icon_smil

Post 54 in that thread is kind of ironic.

I made an effort to improve the board by posting a suggestion. I even made it with a little humor about cleaning up after myself. It was pointed out that I was the only one that has ever made the suggestion. All that means is that I was the one that stepped up. Perhaps a lot of people on MM are lazy. Perhaps they don't give a fuck. Its more likely that they have no idea that things could be better because they haven't been many places to see what "better" looks like, how "better" works, or how to make "better" happen. You don't get anything unless you ask.

If Negative Feedback was enabled for everyone, the Reputation System would get used in a more responsible manner. If Mods can't be trusted to do their jobs in an ethical manner around here and are just allowed to run amuck by abusing the only feedback system in place, its a poor reflection on the entire Administration. I can't trust an Administration like that to handle my money responsibly and I can't trust your Classified Mod to handle any of my Classified threads with the way he abuses the board.

I guess everything will just stay they way that it was, with the exception of me getting banned as a result of 91trunk possibly having another Infraction/Reputation tantrum since he can't handle straight talk.

Later.

FBODGRL

12-16-2008, 02:25 AM

steve581581

12-16-2008, 02:44 AM

No actually you DO NOT use this board for what it was designed for!

This board was formed long after the club was established. The board was established as a way for club MEMBERS to communicate. I'm not sure how you are missing that point :rolleyes:

he may be taking advantage of being able to sell things here without much other participation but he is helping members with sale items... if hes ripping people off then i am wrong but if hes not his form of participating is benificial

FBODGRL

12-16-2008, 02:52 AM

he may be taking advantage of being able to sell things here without much other participation but he is helping members with sale items... if hes ripping people off then i am wrong but if hes not his form of participating is benificial

I don't agree or disagree...however he said what the board was designed for and selling things is not what this board was designed for.

PavementPounder

12-16-2008, 08:16 AM

I don't agree or disagree...however he said what the board was designed for and selling things is not what this board was designed for.

Yeah, I did say that - and I was correct. The board is designed to let any Member post threads in the Classified Forums, regardless of whether they are a paid Club Member or not. I am using it exactly the way it is designed to be used. If you don't like that, that's too bad. You're a Club Member, so perhaps you should bring up the suggestion of banning all non-Club Members from posting Wanted threads or selling anything. It'll probably be a big hit.

At least I have a car. By the looks of the 78 threads you have created on this site, it doesn't look like you ever got one since only 2 of those those threads are outside the Pub. :gr_jest:

FBODGRL

12-16-2008, 11:41 AM

Yeah, I did say that - and I was correct. The board is designed to let any Member post threads in the Classified Forums, regardless of whether they are a paid Club Member or not. I am using it exactly the way it is designed to be used. If you don't like that, that's too bad. You're a Club Member, so perhaps you should bring up the suggestion of banning all non-Club Members from posting Wanted threads or selling anything. It'll probably be a big hit.

At least I have a car. By the looks of the 78 threads you have created on this site, it doesn't look like you ever got one since only 2 of those those threads are outside the Pub. :gr_jest:

:stfu:

I have been a member of this club since it was established. I am thrilled you can use the search function :rolleyes: Obviously you fail at search and reading as I did have a car or two. Actually I have A car since I am not walking everywhere. It is just not a fast car...financially I can not afford the luxury of another car right now for a few reasons. Which if you knew me or anything about me you would know.

Oh yeah and there were other forums used for this club before this one. Maybe you should search those also :newangel:

Foolsgold80z

12-16-2008, 09:18 PM

People in this CLUB tend to stick together when someone starts throwing
insults at our oldest members. We really don't need anyone explaining the purpose of the board to us either, but thanks for caring. If you don't care whether people like you or not, that's cool, you're on the right track. If you think the board is run poorly, that's your right of opinion.
Stay or go, nobody cares.

dave89iroc

12-16-2008, 10:36 PM

jsxtreme

12-17-2008, 07:38 AM

Easy folks, looks like this guy takes enough punishment. :lol:

http://mtu4wheelers.powweb.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=11723&sid=15f028d1622af10eee1058bc90e92027

BigWheelinBubba

12-17-2008, 08:14 AM

http://www.theunticket.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/colt_anal_douche.jpg

PavementPounder

12-17-2008, 08:51 AM

Easy folks, looks like this guy takes enough punishment. :lol:

http://mtu4wheelers.powweb.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=11723&sid=15f028d1622af10eee1058bc90e92027

I actually love that thread. Its a great read about a bunch of kids/college students that could not afford parts, many of which still live off Mommy & Daddy, have not yet succeeded in life in some cases, do not know the value of what they have, and that end up backing down and shutting up after I crashed their party and pointed out some rather blatant mistakes. That thread is also justification as to why I do not post my other vehicles here, because people make stupid assumptions. Yeah, most people that come to pick up 4wd parts do not to expect to see vehicles sitting around like I have in my garage. It doesn't fit the stereotype of a "wheeler".

The best part about that thread is that a number of those guys (such as xj_man_646, bbaxj, and BMFmike) have either done business with me, done it since then, or tried since then and they were refused. The Moderator quoted in that thread as having handed out an Infraction wasn't even me. :gr_jest:

If you're going to try and criticize me for the business I do within one of my own hobbies, you should 1) not be ignorant of said hobby and 2) do a some more homework instead of jerking yourself off to a year-old thread. Here's some homework I did for you:

http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/itrader.php?u=78

iTrader is the kind of meaningful vBulletin functionality that MM could benefit from. It shows you who the person really is, as opposed to whether you and your clique like their posts.

lab1702

12-17-2008, 08:58 AM

iTrader is the kind of meaningful vBulletin functionality that MM could benefit from. It shows you who the person really is, as opposed to whether you and your clique like their posts.

It's not safe to do business on the Internet outside your own clique. :D

jsxtreme

12-17-2008, 09:29 AM

<Stirs pot :lol:

I asked them if thats true.

smooth

12-17-2008, 09:34 AM

iTrader is the kind of meaningful vBulletin functionality that MM could benefit from. It shows you who the person really is, as opposed to whether you and your clique like their posts.

-1 just for acting like your smarter than us :blahblah:

wrath

12-17-2008, 09:49 AM

<Stirs pot :lol:

I asked them if thats true.

Which part? He's kind of a ----- wherever he goes. And I'm in a lot of the same places he is (MTU4x4, GL4x4, blah blah blah). I'm pretty sure he's just a really good salesman and has acquired everything he's got by being a ------ to others (----- people down on price and then resell/con someone into buying it at a much higher price). He's probably only here to peddle his shit. He's not a _bad_ guy, he's just a -----.

He's also like a STD, ignoring won't make him go away. So keep that in mind.

PavementPounder

12-17-2008, 09:53 AM

It's not safe to do business on the Internet outside your own clique. :D

Yeah. No shit, lol.

If its any consolation it anyone, plenty of people think I'm a dick on my home board for speaking my mind when I see something jacked up. In fact, I'm the "most Ignored Member" according to the site owner. When people tell me things like that, I just say "okay" and drive on since their opinion of me or whether I like their post is not something to punish someone for.

Also, if you're going to give out Infractions and Bad Rep based on violations of the site Rules, make sure your shit doesn't stink first and verify that the Rules actually appear on the board. I had to PM someone that loked Admin-like to me when I couldn't find them, only to find out that they actually weren't posted anywhere.

jsxtreme

12-17-2008, 09:54 AM

Which part? He's kind of a ------ wherever he goes. And I'm in a lot of the same places he is (MTU4x4, GL4x4, blah blah blah). I'm pretty sure he's just a really good salesman and has acquired everything he's got by being a douchebag to others (----- people down on price and then resell/con someone into buying it at a much higher price). He's probably only here to peddle his shit. He's not a _bad_ guy, he's just a -------.

He's also like a STD, ignoring won't make him go away. So keep that in mind.

Key point in bold above. :roll:

Welcome to Motown Muscle dude. Stick around and check out the club. It's a pretty cool place if you don't just use it like craigslist.

smooth

12-17-2008, 09:57 AM

I say we change his name from pavementpounder to puddpounder :dontknow:

jsxtreme

12-17-2008, 09:59 AM

Yeah. No shit, lol.

If its any consolation it anyone, plenty of people think I'm a dick on my home board for speaking my mind when I see something jacked up. In fact, I'm the "most Ignored Member" according to the site owner. When people tell me things like that, I just say "okay" and drive on since their opinion of me or whether I like their post is not something to punish someone for.

Also, if you're going to give out Infractions and Bad Rep based on violations of the site Rules, make sure your shit doesn't stink first and verify that the Rules actually appear on the board. I had to PM someone that loked Admin-like to me when I couldn't find them, only to find out that they actually weren't posted anywhere.

Actually, they've only been down a few days. Last time we had server issues, they got wiped out. Brandon is working on recovering them. http://motownmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88799

But you'd already know that if you ever manged to find your way out of the for sale section. :pow: You don't have a clue what goes on with how much people give to make this club and our race days possible.

PavementPounder

12-17-2008, 10:06 AM

<Stirs pot :lol:

I asked them if thats true.

Good.

Wrath was one of the people that made an inaccurate post in that thread, so I'm not surprised that he did it again.

So Wrath - How about you back yourself up and show us some proof that I have ever lowballed anyone? I'd be surprised if you were even able to find proof of an instance where I didn't pay the asking price on something. Don't even worry about the resale theory yet - just show proof of some "Jewing".

Its always awesome how people think you rip others off because you acquire shit in package deals or by taking the entire truck and parting it out.

99Electriccobra

12-17-2008, 10:44 AM

You guys heard the one about wrestling with a pig in the mud? After a while you realize the pig enjoys it:alcoholic

wrath

12-17-2008, 10:48 AM

Wrath was one of the people that made an inaccurate post in that thread, so I'm not surprised that he did it again.

I'm also not surprised you're on yet another forum peddling your shit. It'd be different if you contributed to the places you peddle your shit. Usually your only contributions are how sites can allow you to better peddle your shit. You should start your own Political Action Committee and lobby.

So Wrath - How about you back yourself up and show us some proof that I have ever lowballed anyone? I'd be surprised if you were even able to find proof of an instance where I didn't pay the asking price on something. Don't even worry about the resale theory yet - just show proof of some "------".

Why fscking bother? ------- doesn't require you to badger someone into selling a 3 carat diamond ring to you for $400 when they wanted $40,000. It can be as simple as taking advantage of someone's misfortune, them not knowing what they have, or reselling at grotesquely high prices.

Its always awesome how people think you rip others off because you acquire shit in package deals or by taking the entire truck and parting it out.

I used to do the same thing. But when you're in a close-knit community and you buy a whole bunch of stuff for $1,000 then want to sell it back to the same community at each piece being $1,000 you earn the reputation you have. You've managed to earn this reputation over the years, it's not something from last week, last month, or even last year. I've had the same opinion for as long as I can remember, and I'd say that's about five years. haha. I know you'd like to think this is not your problem but the thing of it is the only thing in common with all these other people's problems are you.

Mr Mach 1

12-17-2008, 10:54 AM

You guys heard the one about wrestling with a pig in the mud? After a while you realize the pig enjoys it:alcoholic

No shit! LOL That so true:cheers:

PavementPounder

12-17-2008, 11:13 AM

Why fscking bother? ------ doesn't require you to badger someone into selling a 3 carat diamond ring to you for $400 when they wanted $40,000. It can be as simple as taking advantage of someone's misfortune, them not knowing what they have, or reselling at grotesquely high prices.

I'll tell you exactly why you should bother. Its called "credibility". You have no personal experience doing business with me and you have no proof of anything you are saying. All you do is complain about the prices of items that you are not buying, but other people are. You also fail to realize that I market my items at a national level because I have the shipping resources to do so. The prices posted are cheap enough to people in other states that they will even pay to ship shit like hardtops across the country because those items are lacking or too expensive in their local areas.

Until you back up anything you are posting, you are speaking with zero credibility.

Krazybones

12-17-2008, 11:54 AM

All this sounds to familiar with this tool. If I remember I called you out when you first signed on here...:rocketwho

wrath

12-17-2008, 12:09 PM

I'll tell you exactly why you should bother. Its called "credibility". You have no personal experience doing business with me and you have no proof of anything you are saying. All you do is complain about the prices of items that you are not buying, but other people are. You also fail to realize that I market my items at a national level because I have the shipping resources to do so. The prices posted are cheap enough to people in other states that they will even pay to ship shit like hardtops across the country because those items are lacking or too expensive in their local areas.

Until you back up anything you are posting, you are speaking with zero credibility.

Why would I do business with you? What advantage would I have to do business with you? Further, why is this the only point you chose to argue with me on? Because you know I've never done business with you and never will? How many repeat customers do you have?

You peddle your shit on a national level because you can find an individual (victim?) that you have successfully marketed your shit to at a ridiculous price more easily than in your home market where your reputation precedes you. You also happen to be blessed to be living in the automobile homeland which also has a severely depressed economy. So while you can find stuff really cheap you've got no one to sell it to.

PavementPounder

12-17-2008, 12:54 PM

All this sounds to familiar with this tool. If I remember I called you out when you first signed on here...:rocketwho

Yeah, IIRC you "called me out" because you did not understand the irony of someone suggesting that I list that item on GL.

Another MM tried to explain it to you right in the thread, yet you still didn't get it. In fact, the poster of the original "ironic comment" even PM'd me and apologized since I then had to waste my time bickering with you, which resulted in the thread being locked.

Damn, you got me good. Something to be proud of. +1 for you, right?

Krazybones

12-17-2008, 12:58 PM

Yeah, IIRC you "called me out" because you did not understand the irony of someone suggesting that I list that item on GL.

Another MM tried to explain it to you right in the thread, yet you still didn't get it. In fact, the poster of the original "ironic comment" even PM'd me and apologized since I then had to waste my time bickering with you, which resulted in the thread being locked.

Damn, you got me good. Something to be proud of. +1 for you, right?:beatdeadh keep yapping nobody is listening.

PavementPounder

12-17-2008, 01:25 PM

Why would I do business with you? What advantage would I have to do business with you? Further, why is this the only point you chose to argue with me on? Because you know I've never done business with you and never will? How many repeat customers do you have?

You peddle your shit on a national level because you can find an individual (victim?) that you have successfully marketed your shit to at a ridiculous price more easily than in your home market where your reputation precedes you. You also happen to be blessed to be living in the automobile homeland which also has a severely depressed economy. So while you can find stuff really cheap you've got no one to sell it to.

Nobody said you had to do business with me, but you cannot truly speak about me in an educated manner if you haven't. That's just why you're ignorant on this subject and speaking with no credibility, as you are still failing to produce any proof whatsoever regarding any of your financial claims.

If you look in the link I posted earlier to my iTrader record, you'll see some of the repeat customers. The rest are on other boards in other states, or don't have iTrader records because they bought things that were not listed on the board. iTrader also wasn't always there, so you can't see all the people I did business with in Michigan prior to its implementation. Many of the names that only appear once are actually repeat customers.

My reputation does preceed me in my home market. The funny thing about what you are saying is that all the haters are never any of my customers. They are all people who have zero experience doing business with me.

Maybe its time to move the GL thread watching this thread out of the private forum and into the Pub since Jsxtreme (the Elected Club Official) already "went there" by cross-posting drama to another board? I was kind of surprised at that. Maybe that way people will be able to educate you on the subject of "me" and the support I have given my customers.