The "peace" has stopped again

[patman]

Did anyone really think that this would last?

Why would normal peaceful muslims elect a FEW radical muslims as a whole government? Someone enlighten me please.

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Palestinian militants launched 10 rockets and mortars from Gaza into Israel Sunday morning, according to Israeli sources.

Israeli aircraft fired missiles at one rocket launch site, destoying the launcher but apparently no one was wounded, an Israeli source said.

One rocket damaged a house and another injured a man working in a field, the source said. The source also said a rocket landed near an Israeli school, but no one was nearby.

Militants fired 24 rockets and 11 mortars into Israel from Gaza on Saturday, causing some damage but no injuries, according to the source.

An Israeli airstrike targeting Palestinian militants killed one person and wounded another on Saturday, according to Palestinian sources.

A truce that began June 19 between the Hamas government in Gaza and Israel ended on Friday. Under the Egyptian-brokered deal, Hamas agreed to end militant attacks on Israel from Gaza, and Israel agreed to halt raids inside the territory and ease its blockade on humanitarian goods.

The truce held well for the first four months but began to fall apart in October, when there was a marked increase in the number of rockets fired from Gaza into Israel.

In the past few weeks, an estimated 200 rockets have fallen inside Israel.

A spokesman for Hamas' military wing Friday vowed to resume the struggle.

"This ceasefire was temporary," said the masked spokesman, who gave his name only as Abu Obaida. "Now that it's over, we will carry on our fight against the occupation."

Israeli officials have said they will respond firmly to any rocket fire.

[Foolsgold80z]

Shocking, just shocking. Palestinians = :rocketwho

[RedXtcy]

do u understand about how they were not letting food water gas or money in to gaza for the past 6 months? this is what they get.

[patman]

do u understand about how they were not letting food water gas or money in to gaza for the past 6 months? this is what they get.


A truce that began June 19 between the Hamas government in Gaza and Israel ended on Friday. Under the Egyptian-brokered deal, Hamas agreed to end militant attacks on Israel from Gaza, and Israel agreed to halt raids inside the territory and ease its blockade on humanitarian goods.

???

[RedXtcy]

???
yes they eased it one day and allowed enough fuel to power their power plant for 42 hrs... that was it. they have to have tunnels 100's of feet under the ground just to sneak food in from egypt. these people are starving and can not get money from thier own banks. they can never leave.. its pretty much an open air prison.

and how could a whole bunch of peacefull israeli's elect a racist government? that shit goes both ways..

[Foolsgold80z]

And here we goes yet again............................................. ..:punchball

[RedXtcy]

17/12/2008 Hamas leader in Gaza Mahmoud Zahar said Tuesday that the six-month Gaza truce with the Zionist entity would not be renewed unless Israel lets more food, fuel and other goods into the Gaza Strip.

"Until Friday, we're still committed, but after that, no one can tell," Zahar said in an interview with Bloomberg News at his Gaza home, referring to the truce's December 19 expiration. "The general mood of all the Palestinian factions is negative," he noted.

Zahar also demanded that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, who heads the rival Fatah movement, step down when his four-year term expires next month, but added that he doesn't expect him to do so. "He will be sitting on his chair in Ramallah, but he will not be legal," Zahar said.

Zahar also said he isn't expecting US policy to change under President-elect Barack Obama. "He is 100 percent pro- Israeli and his positions are unacceptable," Zahar said.

they ended it cause of that. they were not getting food, water, or gas. and they were being good... so why not be bad and get the same treatment.

[steve581581]

they ended it cause of that. they were not getting food, water, or gas. and they were being good... so why not be bad and get the same treatment.

wow... where have you been

[RedXtcy]

wow... where have you been
workin. and went back to living in the sticks with some shady internet connections..

[strtracer]

they have to have tunnels 100's of feet under the ground just to sneak food in from egypt.

So why dont they lob some missles at Eqypt, seems they are just as quilty as Israel in curtailing food and fuel to the "starving" people who choose to live in Gaza. Oh, thats right, Egypt doesnt want them in their country either because theyre terrorists who kill the innocent.

[RedXtcy]

So why dont they lob some missles at Eqypt, seems they are just as quilty as Israel in curtailing food and fuel to the "starving" people who choose to live in Gaza. Oh, thats right, Egypt doesnt want them in their country either because theyre terrorists who kill the innocent.
lol u dont choose to live in gaza. if u are there you can never leave. and egypt is bad to them.. but they are not dont belong in egypt... just like they dont belong in lebanon.

and i dont recall egypt ever occupying gaza and bombing it every few days.. so dont bring egypt in it...

[patman]

yes they eased it one day and allowed enough fuel to power their power plant for 42 hrs... that was it. they have to have tunnels 100's of feet under the ground just to sneak food in from egypt. these people are starving and can not get money from thier own banks. they can never leave.. its pretty much an open air prison.

and how could a whole bunch of peacefull israeli's elect a racist government? that shit goes both ways..

so is this just an eye for an eye thing or a way to bring an international exposure?

[boosted gt]

i can understand both sides. if i was a palistinian i would be firing rockets and if i was an israeli i would be driving a tank through someones house. both sides think they are greatly wronged by the other and they are both right

[RSWANNABE]

lol u dont choose to live in gaza. if u are there you can never leave. and egypt is bad to them.. but they are not dont belong in egypt... just like they dont belong in lebanon.

and i dont recall egypt ever occupying gaza and bombing it every few days.. so dont bring egypt in it...

Sounds like reason enough to go against the Egyptians to me, based on all of your other statements against Israel. And my Bible says the same as yours they don't belong in Israel either.

[strtracer]

lol u dont choose to live in gaza. if u are there you can never leave. and egypt is bad to them.. but they are not dont belong in egypt... just like they dont belong in lebanon.

and i dont recall egypt ever occupying gaza and bombing it every few days.. so dont bring egypt in it...

Yes, they absolutely choose to live in Gaza. Egypt controlled Gaza from 1948 to 1967, it was possible for any person there to move to a different Palestinian territory. Israel took control of Gaza in 1967 when Egypt attacked Israel. 40 years have passed, and people came and went from Gaza. Israel returned control of Gaza to the Palestinians as part of the peace negotiations. People came and went from Gaza. Then Hamas decided to take over the territory by force, killing many of their own, and using the area to stage attacks against Israel. Israel did what was neccessary to protect its citizens, and blocked the territory. Egypt did the same thing. Were all those missles and guns just lying in Gaza for 50 years, waiting to be used. Dont think so, they were brought in by Hamas during the past 2 years. Were all the Hamas militants living in Gaza for 50 years. Maybe Hamas should spend as much effort bringin food to feed their own, and dealing with the international community, and they wouldnt be locked out of 2 countries, with their own people starving. Gaza has a huge ocean water front, and recieves food aid regularly from international relief organizations. If they didnt put so much wasted effort into trying to kill Israelites, they would have a much easier life.
Israel could level Gaza in a couple of days, it doesnt, but it does retaliate, as it should. The negotiated truce was broke months ago by Hamas, yet Israel did not respond until the truce expired this past weekend.

[wikdsvt]

Yes, they absolutely choose to live in Gaza. Egypt controlled Gaza from 1948 to 1967, it was possible for any person there to move to a different Palestinian territory. Israel took control of Gaza in 1967 when Egypt attacked Israel. 40 years have passed, and people came and went from Gaza. Israel returned control of Gaza to the Palestinians as part of the peace negotiations. People came and went from Gaza. Then Hamas decided to take over the territory by force, killing many of their own, and using the area to stage attacks against Israel. Israel did what was neccessary to protect its citizens, and blocked the territory. Egypt did the same thing. Were all those missles and guns just lying in Gaza for 50 years, waiting to be used. Dont think so, they were brought in by Hamas during the past 2 years. Were all the Hamas militants living in Gaza for 50 years. Maybe Hamas should spend as much effort bringin food to feed their own, and dealing with the international community, and they wouldnt be locked out of 2 countries, with their own people starving. Gaza has a huge ocean water front, and recieves food aid regularly from international relief organizations. If they didnt put so much wasted effort into trying to kill Israelites, they would have a much easier life.
Israel could level Gaza in a couple of days, it doesnt, but it does retaliate, as it should. The negotiated truce was broke months ago by Hamas, yet Israel did not respond until the truce expired this past weekend.

Please do not confuse him with facts . LOL


The solution is easy, remove Hamas from Gaza.

But the Pals like to try to be the "victim" Oh poor us, those mean Jews are at it again. Please liberal Media --> hear our cries.

Meanwhile they give food they support the hamas that lobs rockets into Israel. They must understand they cannot have it both ways. If they continue down this path, they must accept consequences for their actions.


They are lucky Israel hasn't flattened Gaza yet.

Like an annoying flea, instead of killing them one by one, wipe them all out with one good Flea bath...

[RedXtcy]

Please do not confuse him with facts . LOL


The solution is easy, remove Hamas from Gaza.

But the Pals like to try to be the "victim" Oh poor us, those mean Jews are at it again. Please liberal Media --> hear our cries.

Meanwhile they give food they support the hamas that lobs rockets into Israel. They must understand they cannot have it both ways. If they continue down this path, they must accept consequences for their actions.


They are lucky Israel hasn't flattened Gaza yet.

Like an annoying flea, instead of killing them one by one, wipe them all out with one good Flea bath...

i feel the same way... just about the other side. cause they play the victim more then anyone.

[RedXtcy]

Yes, they absolutely choose to live in Gaza. Egypt controlled Gaza from 1948 to 1967, it was possible for any person there to move to a different Palestinian territory. Israel took control of Gaza in 1967 when Egypt attacked Israel. 40 years have passed, and people came and went from Gaza. Israel returned control of Gaza to the Palestinians as part of the peace negotiations. People came and went from Gaza. Then Hamas decided to take over the territory by force, killing many of their own, and using the area to stage attacks against Israel. Israel did what was neccessary to protect its citizens, and blocked the territory. Egypt did the same thing. Were all those missles and guns just lying in Gaza for 50 years, waiting to be used. Dont think so, they were brought in by Hamas during the past 2 years. Were all the Hamas militants living in Gaza for 50 years. Maybe Hamas should spend as much effort bringin food to feed their own, and dealing with the international community, and they wouldnt be locked out of 2 countries, with their own people starving. Gaza has a huge ocean water front, and recieves food aid regularly from international relief organizations. If they didnt put so much wasted effort into trying to kill Israelites, they would have a much easier life.
Israel could level Gaza in a couple of days, it doesnt, but it does retaliate, as it should. The negotiated truce was broke months ago by Hamas, yet Israel did not respond until the truce expired this past weekend.
right now students with scholarships to the usa or other country's are not allowed to leave gaza. the fbi have cleared these people... but the israeli's will not let them through the border. people that want to leave are stuck.

and when they do have a real "peace" and give them west bank back israel is going to kick all the arabs out of israel and force them to move to the west bank cause they dont want any arabs living near them.

yes they have ocean front for food and stuff but israel has had a blockade not letting anything through

[mdhmi]

do u understand about how they were not letting food water gas or money in to gaza for the past 6 months? this is what they get.

Those poor peaceful Palestinians were using those routes to smuggle weapons used for killing Israelis.


and how could a whole bunch of peacefull israeli's elect a racist government?
Since when is terrorist thug a "race"? :rolleyes:

[RedXtcy]

Those poor peaceful Palestinians were using those routes to smuggle weapons used for killing Israelis.


Since when is terrorist thug a "race"? :rolleyes:
dont tell me u think more weapons came in then food and fuel. and they could try to search for weapons at the border a lil better then just closing it. they always got the good weapons from the tunnels anyways... and its not like they have anything advanced. it is the right of an occupied people to fight back against the occupier.. dont forget we did it.

and yes racist against anyone non-jewish. racist is the easiest word to use even if its not in correct context.

[RedXtcy]

ICAI HOKOK Press Release on Israel’s Apartheid


22/12/2008 The ICAI HOKOK Press Release:
December 19, 2008
HOKOK,the International Coalition against Impunity today condemned Israel for "considering itself above the law and for imposing a blockade on any criticism against its violations of the International laws, of its barbaric Apartheid regime and of its many crimes against humanity, by the UN human rights organizations and members of the International community.
HOKOK President, Lebanese lawyer May al Khansa, coming to the defense of the president of the UN General Assembly Miguel d'Escoto, a Catholic priest and former Nicaraguan Foreign Minister, and also Special Rapporteur of the UN for Human Rights in the occupied Palestinian territories, International Law Professor Richard Falk, charged in Beirut today that "this so-called "state" loses control each time any criticism is made against it, and mounts campaigns to punish, and vociferously attack the international organizations and their representatives who dare to criticize its commission of crimes".

Khansa pointed out that the representatives of the Israeli occupation regime reacted arrogantly after the Human Rights Council of the UN in Geneva unanimously released a list including 99 recommendations at the end of a two-day review of

Israel's record on human rights last Tuesday 9 December 2008. The council urged Israel to take 99 steps to end its violations of human rights, including to lifting the blockade on the Gaza Strip, freeing Arab detainees, and to allowing international observers to enter Palestine.
As a result of the verbal attacks, the president of the UN General Assembly received death threats last Monday 15 December 2008. The spokesman of Mr. d'Escoto confirmed that "very serious threats" against the life of the UN General Assembly president were published on the Internet and that "competent authorities took the case for investigation".

The media of Israel "reported" that Miguel d'Escoto had supposedly prevented the Israeli ambassador to the United Nations from speaking during a plenary session of the Assembly. Mr. d'Escoto described the Israeli allegation as "offensive and slanderous", and his spokesman said that the accusation hurled by the representatives of Israel at the United Nations were "an aggressive and unconvincing lie which can also be described as an irresponsible fabrication".
HOKOK President Khansa, also criticized the State of Israel "for perpetrating innumerable war crimes and crimes against humanity, and for taking revenge against the Special Rapporteur of the UN for Human Rights in the occupied Palestinian territories, Richard Falk". Mr. Falk was denied entry to the occupied Palestinian territories through Israel, and was arrested on Sunday 14 December 2008 at Ben GurionAirport, and deported to Geneva on Monday 15 December 2008 The result of the arrest and deportation of Mr. Falk came as a result of his criticism of Israel, its flagrant crimes against humanity and the many violations of the international law in Gaza and the West Bank.

On December 9 2008, Professor Falk condemned the collective punishment of the Palestinians in Gaza and described it as a clear violation of article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. He said that the Israeli policies against the Palestinians were tantamount to a "crime against humanity", and the Israeli blockade of Gaza against 1.5 million Palestinians is a war crime and a crime against humanity.

On December 10, 2008, the 60th Anniversary of the signing of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, HOKOK, sent its President May el Khansa to The Hague to file a case against Israeli officials at the International Criminal Court.
Professor Falk joined HOKOK in calling for the International Criminal Court to investigate the situation in Gaza, and to determine whether the Israeli civilian leaders and military commanders responsible for the Gaza blockade should be indicted and prosecuted for violations of international criminal law , According to HOKOK board member, Franklin Lamb, HOKOK, by filing its Case at the ICC, and Professor Falk, by urging the ICC to investigate Israel's actions in GAZA, both HOKOK and Professor Falk broke the international community 'conspiracy of silence" which until now appears to cover Israeli crimes against Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, and because of this he was unjustly arrested, humiliated and deported by Israel.
hmm..

[wikdsvt]

:shake:

everyone in the middle east with a turban wants Israel destroyed. Would you want them living next door?


Allah Ouwet... :shake:

[strtracer]

ICAI HOKOK Press Release on Israel’s Apartheid


22/12/2008 The ICAI HOKOK Press Release:
December 19, 2008
HOKOK, blah, blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah blah blah, terrible Jews, blah, blah blah blah blah blah, blah bhah, horrible Jews, blah blah blah blah, blah blah lbah, blah, blah blah blah blah, they pick on us because we try to kill them, blah blah blah, blah blah blah, flap flap blah flap, flap flap flap, hummus, gero, blah blah blah, Jews must die, blah blah.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....... blah, blah, BLAH, kill the jew ,kill the jew, Egypt is our friend even though they blocade us, too.. Blah


hmm..

Why dont these College students cross into Egypt to come to America.

Why is it that NO Arab nation wants the Palistinians coming to there country.

Lower the Hamas flag, turn over all the bombs and missles, and get food, and fuel, and live like human beings. The rest of Palestinians seem to be handling that alright, even the ones living in Lebanon.

[Foolsgold80z]

Dee De Dee:893goof_v:alcoholic:punchball:banana::blahblah ::nopity::hitfan::gr_jest::banghead::gr_zzz::icon_ eek::squint::spank::gr_judge::awugh::whistle::boot y::swear::baby::dance::boxer::fear::sucks:

[RedXtcy]

:shake:

everyone in the middle east with a turban wants Israel destroyed. Would you want them living next door?


Allah Ouwet... :shake:
not true. most christians and druze muslims are cool with them.. and so are most nations right next to them... they have peace with jordan and egypt.. they are working on it right now with syria... they wont have peace with lebanon cause we dont and wont trust them.

[RedXtcy]

Why dont these College students cross into Egypt to come to America.

Why is it that NO Arab nation wants the Palistinians coming to there country.

Lower the Hamas flag, turn over all the bombs and missles, and get food, and fuel, and live like human beings. The rest of Palestinians seem to be handling that alright, even the ones living in Lebanon.
you are not the only one to ask that of the arabs, one of hezbollahs leader asked that question the other day...


19/12/2008 Hezbollah Deputy Secretary General Sheikh Naim Kassem delivered Hezbollah’s speech during the massive protests to support Gaza in Beirut’s southern suburb. Sheikh Kassem called on Egypt and its leaders to take a historic step in solidarity with the Palestinian people adding that there is no justification for any Arab or Islamic side to stay silent.

His eminence said: “Peace be upon you Palestine, Jerusalem and resistance fighters in Lebanon and Palestine. We salute you from the land of resistance, from Lebanon and we send our greetings to free Gaza. We stand by our brothers in defiant and steadfast Palestine and we have come here today in response to the call by Arab and Islamic Conferences and the Conference of Arab Parties as well as to the call of Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah to stand up for Palestine. Palestine is the central cause and we are responsible, as all Arabs and Muslims are, to work on liberating it completely while adhering to the word of Allah who promised to defend those who believe in Him.

Why is Gaza under siege? Because Gazans and all of Palestine has rejected humiliating political choices and chose resistance. Gaza has the right to choose what it wants. The Gazans have elected their representatives and chose their rulers, so why is Gaza under siege? They do no want them (Gazans) to decide their own fate, so they blockaded it to alter its political choice. The colluding Security Council that participated in the siege as well as major countries and Arab countries stand witness on hunger and the lack of medicine.

O cowards of the world, Gaza cannot be treated this way. The child of Gaza is more honorable than you and your positions and he shall triumph God willing. Is there a bigger crime than this humanitarian carnage? The Security Council convenes upon a US request to state that the Annapolis path is ongoing and that the international resolutions are being respected. They only gathered to give a positive image of the US administration and to make the world forget this blockade at a time they should have met to see how they would end the siege and stop Israeli hegemony. However their meeting will not change the way we view their standing. Our nation knows very well that the US administration is the spearhead of terrorism; this is why we shout: Death to America. The Palestinian people is an example of free men and a shining source of pride as they sacrifice their flesh and blood for the sake of liberating Palestine. Palestine will stay. We will not accept that cause of Palestine be undermined through a fragile truce and we will not accept that Palestine be turned into just another secure refugee camp. Your (Palestinians) cause requires all nations to interfere and protect you from this unjust plot. Disgrace to those who stood against you and conspired on you. We have been hearing statements here and there about the just Palestinian cause.. what do you understand of this cause and what have you done to support it? Why don’t you shout in Israel’s face? Why don’t we hear Arab leaderships shout and denounce? Gaza will remain the theme and unlike the conspirators, the people of Gaza cannot be defeated. To the people of Gaza we say: We stand by your just cause and we in Hezbollah will never abandon this cause until every grain of sand is liberated. We are against unworthy and unjust settlements but we are with resistance until liberation.

What are you (Arab regimes) waiting for? A settlement? Listen to what Livni has said; even the 1.5 million Palestinians in lands occupied in 1948 have no place in their own homes? What justice is this? I ask the Arabs: have you heard what the Israelis said about some Arab leaders who praised the Israeli stance and encouraged the Zionist entity to crush Hamas? We will not accuse anyone, but won’t you at least raise your voice to say that you are not the ones intended? It is your responsibility to support the cause of Palestine with money, arms and position. Why don’t you take a brave position that will see your people stand behind you…you will be strong and Israel and the US will yield. But to keep silent and just watch…this is humiliating. No Arab or Muslim official or popular side is justified to sit down and silently watch Gaza’s blockade. Silence is blockade in itself and participation in occupation.

We call on Egypt and its leaders to take a historic position and stand by the besieged Palestinian people. Egypt has every religious, political, humanitarian, legal and ethical reason to support Gaza. The Arab and Islamic worlds will eventually back you.

[strtracer]

you are not the only one to ask that of the arabs, one of hezbollahs leader asked that question the other day...


If you had five brothers, and you asked them to help you kill the neighbors, and they refused or ignored you, would they be wrong to do so.

Hamas is asking its Arab brothers to take up arms, not to support them politically or commercially, but to support genocide. What is so hard to realize. Hamas exists solely to kill Jews, with out regard of how many innocents(including their own blood) get taken out.

[RedXtcy]

If you had five brothers, and you asked them to help you kill the neighbors, and they refused or ignored you, would they be wrong to do so.

Hamas is asking its Arab brothers to take up arms, not to support them politically or commercially, but to support genocide. What is so hard to realize. Hamas exists solely to kill Jews, with out regard of how many innocents(including their own blood) get taken out.
hamas exists because israel funded them to split the pals up from plo... but now plo is gone and they turned on israel and now israel is sided with the PA who are a bunch of asshats that only do as they are told by israel.

if i lived there i would support hamas way before i supported the PA..


and the 5 brothers thing... to an american and to an arab the result would be 2 different answers.

[strtracer]

and the 5 brothers thing... to an american and to an arab the result would be 2 different answers.


And since it would be a different outcome, and youre so supportive of Hamas, then why arent you over there, fighting with your Arab brother. They have asked for your help. Or dont you count cause your too busy playing around in America.

Maybe its time that the Arabs came into the 21st century, most of the human race has evolved beyond fighting over petty grudges formed thousands of years ago.

[little2v]

Gah. It will never end.

[RedXtcy]

And since it would be a different outcome, and youre so supportive of Hamas, then why arent you over there, fighting with your Arab brother. They have asked for your help. Or dont you count cause your too busy playing around in America.

Maybe its time that the Arabs came into the 21st century, most of the human race has evolved beyond fighting over petty grudges formed thousands of years ago.
hamas is not my brother though... nor are pals... my only brothers are other christian lebanese when they are in need things might happen.. everyone in my family has fought except my generation since we were raised here..

[tonez]

just level gaza already. im tired of hearing about this shit.

[wide winger]

Maybe its time that the Arabs came into the 21st century, most of the human race has evolved beyond fighting over petty grudges formed thousands of years ago.

Tell that to jessie jackson and the NAACP..............WRONG!

[patman]

Tell that to jessie jackson and the NAACP..............WRONG!

sad but true.

[strtracer]

Tell that to jessie jackson and the NAACP..............WRONG!

Notice that my statement said most, not all.

[wide winger]

Notice that my statement said most, not all.


:cheers:

[RedXtcy]

Christmas Prayers for End of Occupation in Palestine
The Latin Patriarch in Jerusalem on Tuesday prayed for an end of "occupation and injustice" in the Holy Land and voiced concern for the future of the Holy City he said is "strangled by settlements."

"As Bethlehem waited throughout history for the one who would 'smash the yoke that burdened' the people... so we are awaiting a manifestation of the savior's grace that will put an end to the occupation," Fuad Twal said in his Christmas message.

He also expressed concern for the future "in the homeland of Christ" of the Christian community whose numbers are dwindling, and particularly for the future of Jerusalem.

"We do not forget what divides us: greed mixed with injustice, violence and man's persecution of his fellow man. All these beset the Holy City, not mentioning the building of settlements which strangle it," said Twal, the leader of Roman Catholics in the Holy Land.

He spoke out sternly against the separation barrier and the hundreds of roadblocks that restrict movement in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

"With pain and deep sadness, we observe civilians being blockaded by the erection of walls and barriers. These contribute to the creation of violence and humiliation, generating grudges and hatred," he said, reading his message before journalists in Jerusalem.

He also addressed the situation in Gaza City, where Israel recently tightened a crippling embargo it imposed last year in a bid to pressure Palestinian militants into halting their rocket fire.

"Together with all the Catholic patriarchs of the Middle East, we turn to our faithful and to all the citizens of the Holy Land, living in deteriorating conditions, especially the unjust siege that has struck Gaza and the hundreds of thousands of innocent residents there," Twal said.

"We also call upon the Palestinians themselves to return to unity in the context of a recognized Palestinian legal structure, and in this way to spare the people the continuing and degrading siege."

Palestinians have been deeply divided since the Islamist Hamas movement seized power in the Gaza Strip in June 2007, ousting forces loyal to secular president Mahmud Abbas who now only holds sway in the West Bank.

Twal also announced that Pope Benedict XVI will visit the Holy Land in May.

Born into a Bedouin Christian tribe in Jordan in 1949, Twal was enthroned in June as the new Latin patriarch of Jerusalem, the title given to the Latin rite Roman Catholic archbishop of Israel and Palestine.

He replaced Michel Sabbah, who retired at the age of 75.(AFP)

:thumbsup:

[patman]

"With pain and deep sadness, we observe civilians being blockaded by the erection of walls and barriers. These contribute to the creation of violence and humiliation, generating grudges and hatred," he said, reading his message before journalists in Jerusalem.

He said erection....

[wide winger]

He said erection....

With pain and deep!

[RSWANNABE]

"With pain and deep sadness, we observe civilians being blockaded by the erection of walls and barriers.

Walls and barriers for the cock block

[RedXtcy]

He said erection....
its ok for catholic priests to say that overseas.... they are not pedo's like the ones in america. im pretty sure my priest in lebanon has a wife and a couple kids.

[patman]

its ok for catholic priests to say that overseas.... they are not pedo's like the ones in america. im pretty sure my priest in lebanon has a wife and a couple kids.

I'm just joking bud.

If he's a catholic priest he can't be married.

[RSWANNABE]

Palestinian rocket misfires, kills 2 girls in Gaza


GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – A crude rocket fired by Palestinian militants fell short of its target in Israel on Friday, striking a house in the northern Gaza Strip and killing two schoolgirls.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081226/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

[RedXtcy]

I'm just joking bud.

If he's a catholic priest he can't be married.
maronite catholic can.

[RedXtcy]

Palestinian rocket misfires, kills 2 girls in Gaza



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081226/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians
and today at least 150 pals dead and 100's wounded after the air strikes

[Foolsgold80z]

1):poke:

2):hitfan:

3):swear:

4):nopity:

We've seen this play before. The only difference is this time the response seems
like it will be more severe. Hamas will never bring anything to Gaza but misery and suffering unless they give up the rockets and suicide bombers. Israel can only respond to these acts in one way, and here we are. Again.

[wikdsvt]

and today at least 150 pals dead and 100's wounded after the air strikes

Mess with the Big dog.......

[wikdsvt]

Thoughts:


Later, some of the dead, rolled in blankets, were laid out on the floor of Gaza's main hospital for identification. Hamas police spokesman Ehad Ghussein said about 140 Hamas security forces were killed.

Defiant Hamas leaders threatened revenge, including suicide attacks. Hamas "will continue the resistance until the last drop of blood," vowed spokesman Fawzi Barhoum.




Several hundred angry Jordanians protested outside a U.N. complex in the capital Amman. "Hamas, go ahead. You are the cannon, we are the bullets," they cried, some waving the signature green Hamas banners.

Israeli leaders approved military action against Gaza earlier in the week.

Past limited ground incursions and air strikes have not halted rocket barrages from Gaza.

But with 200 mortars and rockets raining down on Israel since the truce expired a week ago, and 3,000 since the beginning of the year, according to the military's count, pressure had been mounting in Israel for the military to crush the gunmen.

Earlier this month, Israeli security officials told the government that militants possess rockets with ranges capable of reaching farther from Gaza than ever before, including the cities of Beersheba and Ashdod.

Gaza militants fired several rockets Saturday, including one that struck a new target, the town of Kiryat Gat. A missile hit on the town of Netivot killed an Israeli man and wounded four people, rescue services said. In Ashkelon, TV cameras showed people huddle against a wall as a rocket alert sounded.

Barak, the Israeli defense minister, said that the coming period "won't be easy and won't be short for the communities in the south (of Israel).

Israel declared a state of emergency in Israeli communities within a 12-mile range of Gaza, putting the area on a war footing.







Israel left Gaza in 2005 after a 38-year occupation, but the withdrawal did not lead to better relations with Palestinians in the territory as Israeli officials had hoped.

Instead, the evacuation was followed by a sharp rise in militant attacks on Israeli border communities that on several occasions provoked harsh Israeli military reprisals.

The last, in late February and early March, spurred both sides to agree to a truce that was to have lasted six months but began unraveling in early November. In recent days, Israeli leaders had been voicing strong threats to launch a major offensive.



I like hamas tactic. lob thousands of rockets at Israel, then cry when they retaliate, all the time hiding behind women and children. gutless animals.

[RSWANNABE]

and today at least 150 pals dead and 100's wounded after the air strikes


GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Israeli warplanes retaliating for rocket fire from the Gaza Strip pounded dozens of security compounds across the Hamas-ruled territory in unprecedented waves of airstrikes Saturday, killing nearly 200 people and wounding 270 others in the single bloodiest day of fighting in years.


The air offensive followed weeks of intense Palestinian rocket and mortar fire on southern Israel, and Israeli leaders had issued increasingly tough warnings in recent days that they would not tolerate continued attacks.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081227/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians



See the pattern here?

[RedXtcy]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081227/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians



See the pattern here?
"You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom"

"It's better to die fighting for freedom than to live life in chains."

one israeli was killed so they went and killed 200 in gaza and counting. if they really wanted to win this fight they have to have a ground force go in... and i hope they can do better then what happened to them on the ground in south lebanon in 06...

[RedXtcy]

25/12/2008 Hezbollah expressed best wishes to Christians on Christmas Eve and also congratulated Muslims for the same occasion as Christ and his holy mother constitute the field where Muslims and Christians meet.
In a statement, Hezbollah said that “it is blessed the day when humanity received Jesus who called for justice as he rose for the oppressed in the face of tyrants and the thieves of the Temple.”
The statement added: “The human values of Jesus is what we need the most today as we see tyrants and Zionists ravaging his birthplace. We also need to respond to his call to stand up by the oppressed Palestinians, support their just cause and defend the sanctuaries that are being desecrated by the Zionists.”



not really related to gaza but i just seen this and had a huge lol

[RedXtcy]

Thoughts:

I like hamas tactic. lob thousands of rockets at Israel, then cry when they retaliate, all the time hiding behind women and children. gutless animals.

i like the israeli tactic of blowing up civilians and making up bull shit that people were using them as shields... check out what our AMERICAN ARMY study says about hezbollah... yet why were 1500 civilians killed?


19/12/2008 U.S. report: Hezbollah fought Israel better than any Arab army

By Natasha Mozgovaya, Haaretz Correspondent

Tags: Second Lebanon War, US army

A new report from the U.S. Army War College warns that the American military must learn the lessons of the Second Lebanon War, in which Hezbollah operated more like a conventional army than a guerrilla organization.

The report, "The 2006 Lebanon Campaign and the Future of Warfare: Implications for Army and Defense Policy," warns against placing too heavy an emphasis on classic guerrilla warfare, and raises the possibility of further non-state actors following the Lebanese militant group's example.

"Hezbollah's 2006 campaign in southern Lebanon has been receiving increasing attention as a prominent recent example of a non-state actor fighting a Westernized state," the authors of the report state. "In particular, critics of irregular-warfare transformation often cite the 2006 case as evidence that non-state actors can nevertheless wage conventional warfare in state-like ways."
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The authors of the report, Dr. Stephen D. Biddle and Jeffrey A. Friedman, state that changes made by the U.S. Army in conducting urban warfare against guerrilla fighters in Iraq could compromise the military's ability to deal with other enemies in the future.

The authors give a high grade to Hezbollah's performance in the 2006 war, describing it as more effective than that of any Arab army that confronted Israel in the Jewish state's history, and that Hezbollah militants wounded more Israelis per fighter than any previous Arab effort.

Unlike a traditional guerrilla force, however, Hezbollah emphasized holding territory and digging in to bunkers, instead of the usual tactic of hiding among civilian populations. Likewise, the militant organization's discipline and coordination highly resembled those of conventional armies.
This combination of conventional and guerrilla tactics, the report claims, places new challenges before the U.S. Army. It calls for preparing the military for asymmetrical urban warfare, while at the same time working closely with civilian populations. It also calls for reducing military activity likely to harm the image of the U.S.

The report indicates that no army can be ideally prepared to deal with both kinds of enemy, conventional and guerrilla, simultaneously, and that in light of the discrepancies between the lessons of the Second Lebanon War and the current U.S. experience in Iraq and Afghanistan, serious challenges confront military planners.

While fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan demands the ability to defeat guerrilla forces, the example of Lebanon may inspire enemies of the U.S. to adopt more conventional methods.

[patman]

maronite catholic can.

Pretty cool. That's the way it's meant to be. I feel bad for the married guys though. Sounds like they're treated poorly for being married...

The Clergy

Of the 300 parishes some are given by the bishops to regulars, others to seculars. Priests without parishes are celibate and dependent on the patriarch. The others are married -- that is to say, they marry while in minor orders, but cannot marry a second time. There are about 1100 secular priests and 800 regulars. The education of the clergy is carried on in five patriarchal and nine diocesan seminaries. Many study at Rome, and a great number in France, thanks to the "Œuvre de St Louis" and the burses supported by the French Government. The intellectual standard of the Maronite clergy is decidedly higher than that of the schismatical and heretical clergy who surround them. The married priests of the rural parishes are often very simple men, still more often they are far from well-to-do, living almost exclusively on the honoraria received for Masses and the presents of farm produce given them by the country people. Most of them have to eke out these resources by cultivating their little portions of land or engaging in some modest industry.

[Foolsgold80z]

Today, Egyptian border guards open fire on Palestinians trying to breach the border crossing into Egypt. Well done Hamas.

[patman]

Here's proof that if they really want to, if they really have an issue with something muslims can publicly protest, so NOW why can't they protest the terrorist/terrorism???

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Israeli attacks on suspected Hamas strongholds in Gaza have triggered protests in more than a dozen countries.
A girl in Caracas, Venezuela, holds a sign reading, "No more massacre in Gaza" at Israel's embassy Monday.

The attacks entered their third day Monday, with more than 300 people in Gaza reported killed and hundreds more wounded. Israel says the military assault is in response to ongoing rocket strikes on Israel, which have killed two Israelis.

In London, England, dozens of protesters gathered outside the Israeli Embassy, waving flags and trying to push their way closer to the building, as police tried to hold them back and erect a barricade.

Police in Germany said about 2,000 protesters marched peacefully down Berlin's Kurfuerstendamm Boulevard and dispersed after about three hours.

Protesters also have taken to the streets in Denmark, France, Italy and Spain, according to news reports. There also were reports of demonstrations in Caracas, Venezuela.

Iranian media reported that thousands took part in anti-Israel demonstrations in Tehran on Monday, which the government declared a day of mourning for the Palestinians in Gaza.

Photographs of the rallies posted by Iran's semi-official Fars News Agency showed black-shrouded women and men holding shoes in the air -- widely considered an insult in the Middle East -- while others held Palestinian flags and signs that said "Down with U.S.A." in English and Farsi.

Greek riot police clashed with protesters in Athens during a demonstration outside the Israeli Embassy, according to police and images broadcast on state television.

Protesters hurled stones in an attempt to break through the police cordon around the heavily secured embassy. Police responded with tear gas.

In Iraq, hundreds of supporters of Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr demonstrated in al-Mustansiriya Square in eastern Baghdad. The demonstrators carried Iraqi and Palestinian flags, banners and pictures of al-Sadr and his father.

The demonstrators threw an Israeli flag on the ground, put President Bush's picture on top of it and set both on fire.

In the Muslim world, demonstrations also were held in Jordan, Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia, Libya and Bahrain, the BBC and other news outlets reported.

Also, thousands of Lebanese demonstrators packed the streets of Beirut as part of a rally called by the militant group Hezbollah. Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah addressed the crowd via satellite from an undisclosed location.

Protests were also held in Israel, where students at universities in Haifa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem demonstrated against the Israeli military operation, ynetnews.com reported.

[wikdsvt]

i like the israeli tactic of blowing up civilians and making up bull shit that people were using them as shields... check out what our AMERICAN ARMY study says about hezbollah... yet why were 1500 civilians killed?

Let me introduce you to propoganda.

[hsean]

Let me introduce you to propoganda.

not propaganda the israelis are just a ruthless as any terrorist organization

[RedXtcy]

not propaganda the israelis are just a ruthless as any terrorist organization
+1

[The Man]

how would you feel if you were a country the size of a pea, surrounded entirely by countries filled with people that wanted you dead?

Answer me this, according to all the reports and not witnessing firsthand, who was firing missiles into the others country first? What if Canada was firing missiles into the USA? How long before we fired back 100000 times worse?


not propaganda the israelis are just a ruthless as any terrorist organization

[RedXtcy]

how would you feel if you were a country the size of a pea, surrounded entirely by countries filled with people that wanted you dead?

Answer me this, according to all the reports and not witnessing firsthand, who was firing missiles into the others country first? What if Canada was firing missiles into the USA? How long before we fired back 100000 times worse?
??? eqypt and jorden have peace agreements with israel... they are working for one with syria.. so the only country that hates israeli is lebanon but we as a country have never attacked them! so you cant say everyone around them wants them dead.

[wikdsvt]

??? eqypt and jorden have peace agreements with israel... they are working for one with syria.. so the only country that hates israeli is lebanon but we as a country have never attacked them! so you cant say everyone around them wants them dead.

And Israel is not attacking Lebanon. The Gaza Strip was won by Israel in a war. It is NOT LEBANON'S PROPERTY. IF and until Israel decides to give Gaza Back to Lebanon, Israel can do whatever they want.

Lebanon not only allows HAMAS to operate inside its borders, it has elected HAMAS to office.

It doesn't matter what Lebanon as a country officially does, it what it allows to occur within its borders. If Lebanon cannot control Hamas, maybe the USA should "assist" Lebanon in ridding themselves of Hamas -- then occupy Lebanon for a while ... just to make sure it's safe.

[RedXtcy]

And Israel is not attacking Lebanon. The Gaza Strip was won by Israel in a war. It is NOT LEBANON'S PROPERTY. IF and until Israel decides to give Gaza Back to Lebanon, Israel can do whatever they want.

Lebanon not only allows HAMAS to operate inside its borders, it has elected HAMAS to office.

It doesn't matter what Lebanon as a country officially does, it what it allows to occur within its borders. If Lebanon cannot control Hamas, maybe the USA should "assist" Lebanon in ridding themselves of Hamas -- then occupy Lebanon for a while ... just to make sure it's safe.
u are confusing hamas and hezbollah... and hezbollah does not directly support hamas due to religious beliefs...

and gaza was never lebanese it was allways the pals.

and we saw what hapened in the 80's what happens to foriegners that occupy lebanon, i doubt they would come back.

[RedXtcy]

the point of the whole story is that war will not solve the pal-israeli problem... that is unless israel gets to do what they dream about.... killing every arab within thier borders.

[Foolsgold80z]

u are confusing hamas and hezbollah... and hezbollah does not directly support hamas due to religious beliefs...

and gaza was never lebanese it was allways the pals.

Gaza was part of Egypt.

[RedXtcy]

Gaza was part of Egypt.
yes but it was pals that live there for the past couple hundred years is what i ment.

[patman]

yes but it was pals that live there for the past couple hundred years is what i ment.

I thought they lived in Israel?

[mdhmi]

Hey Ste - just for you -- http://www.youtube.com/user/idfnadesk

:)

[RedXtcy]

Hey Ste - just for you -- http://www.youtube.com/user/idfnadesk

:)
i will watch it later mark no sound at work and i dont know what it is lol but later tonight.

[RedXtcy]

i will watch it later mark no sound at work and i dont know what it is lol but later tonight.
ok i checked it out.. mark dont make me look for the video's from israeli media of thier top "soliders" (terrorists) crying in south lebanon like lil kids that lost thier mama cause they were so scared... they could not even hold one city in lebanon even with the best air force in the middle east! they are bitchs on the ground when it comes to a real fight.... someone fighting for a real cause is waiting for them...

hez would sneak up on them at night and only slit one neck a night.. they could of killed everyone in the teams but they did one at a time night by night. fear is what they felt and they will get it agian if they fuck with the right people..

everyone is big and tuff with air support. israel does really good nowadays picking on lil kids... gaza cant hit them back thats why they did this.. let them fight a real devoted army and see what happens to them... agian.

[stalked_R/T]

then let a real devoted army show itself as opposed to some sackless tards with a hard-on for big guns.

[RedXtcy]

then let a real devoted army show itself as opposed to some sackless tards with a hard-on for big guns.
thing about the middle east is u have to play your hand when its time.. its all about the bluff play cards with arabs... people have hands but using them at this time will accomplish nothing towards the goal (liberating westbank and e. juerslum and the other lands israel occupies) all it will do is show the enemy what you have then they will prepare and change thier ways to fight it.

you have to wait for the perfect moment to do it and right now sure is not it.

[Foolsgold80z]

When Bibi gets back in office, you might get your wish, and he ain't gonna play nice.

[wikdsvt]

then let a real devoted army show itself as opposed to some sackless tards with a hard-on for big guns.

who?

Israel has probably the second most advance military on Earth, next to the USA.
Hamas is a terror group, not an army.

[patman]

maybe this is the reason that there are so many civilian casualties in Gaza...I think that if the bad guys didn't hide in refugee camps women and children wouldn't get killed..

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/01/israel.gaza/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

GAZA CITY (CNN) -- A leading commander of Hamas' military wing in Gaza was among 10 people killed Thursday in an Israeli airstrike on a Palestinian refugee camp, Hamas security and Palestinian medical sources said.


Nizar Rayan died when an Israeli missile hit his house in the Jabalya refugee camp, north of Gaza City.

The Israeli news organization Haaretz described Rayan as the most senior Hamas leader killed in Israel's six-day air offensive on Gaza. Haaretz described him as an "outspoken advocate of renewing suicide bombings against Israel."

The Palestinian television station Ramattan reported that several members of Rayan's family also were killed.

Video showed crowds of men shouting as they climbed mounds of debris searching for victims. The blast also damaged nearby buildings.

The Israel Defense Forces confirmed the airstrike on the camp but had no information about casualties. It said it is striking houses where weapons are stored.

Israel has been hammering targets in Gaza for six days, a bombardment Israel's prime minister vowed would not end until Hamas militants quit firing rockets into the Jewish state.

An overnight attack on the Palestinian parliament building gutted the structure.

Palestinian medical sources said 400 people have been killed in Gaza since the Israeli raids began Saturday, with 42 children, 13 women and two medical workers among the dead. In addition, 2,000 have been wounded, 216 critically, they said.

Israel launched the bombing campaign in an effort to halt the firing of rockets into southern Israel from the Hamas-ruled territory.

Four Israelis -- three of them civilians -- have been killed and 56 wounded by Palestinian rocket fire, police, military and medical officials have said.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's government rejected a French proposal for a humanitarian truce Wednesday.

"We did not enter this operation in order to end it with the firing still continuing," Olmert told his security Cabinet on Wednesday, according to a senior government official.

Palestinian sources said targets south, west and north of Gaza City were hit early Thursday. In addition to the legislative building, the ministries of justice and education and civil defense headquarters, to the city's west, were targeted by Israeli airstrikes. Video Watch people run in the aftermath of an Israeli airstrike »

Meanwhile, five rockets were launched into Israel, including two medium-range rockets that fell near the city of Beer Sheva, nearly 19 miles outside Gaza, the IDF reported. Video Watch how emergency responders have dealt with the crisis »

Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, whose office in Gaza was struck early Wednesday, said Israel needed to "stop attacking and killing our children, women and men."

"The aggression must stop, the crossings must open and the blockade must be lifted, and then we can talk about all other issues," he said in televised comments Wednesday. "Then we can start a national dialogue without any preset conditions."

But as the airstrikes and rocket fire continued, U.N. officials expressed concern for the situation in Gaza and in southern Israel.

"This is a very bloody operation, by anybody's standards, even by the standards of that part of the world," said John Holmes, the world body's undersecretary-general for humanitarian affairs and its emergency relief coordinator.
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Ambassadors held an emergency meeting to discuss a Libyan-sponsored draft resolution that calls for an immediate cease-fire in Gaza. The United States indicated the resolution wasn't balanced enough. Video Watch what emerged from the emergency meeting »

Though some trucks carrying humanitarian aid are being allowed into Gaza, no fuel has entered the territory since Monday. Holmes said hundreds of thousands have no power for up to 16 hours a day, and hospitals are relying on their backup generators constantly.

[dpmcghee]

Thursday, January 1, 2009

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Israel assassinated a Hamas strongman Thursday in its first assault on the top leadership of Gaza's rulers, escalating a crushing aerial offensive even as it declared it was ready to launch a ground invasion.

The airstrike targeted the eight-story apartment building that was home to Nizar Rayan, 52, ranked among Hamas' top five decision-makers in Gaza. The attack killed 12 other people including two of Rayan's four wives and four of his 12 children, Palestinian health officials said. The Muslim faith allows men to have up to four wives.

While escalating its 6-day-old military offensive against Hamas in Gaza, Israel also appeared to be sounding out a possible diplomatic exit from its campaign by demanding international monitors as a key term of any future truce.

The offensive is meant to crush Gaza militants who have been terrorizing southern Israel with rocket fire that is reaching closer to the country's heartland than ever before.

In launching the campaign on Saturday, Israel made it clear that no one in Hamas was immune and Thursday's strike drove that point home. The airstrike blew a huge hole in the side of the building where Rayan lived and sent a thick plume of smoke into the air.

Hamas leaders went into hiding before Israel launched its operation, but Rayan was known for openly defying Israel.

Hamas threatened to take revenge against Israeli soldiers who were massed along the border with Gaza, waiting for a signal to invade.

"We are waiting for you to enter Gaza to kill you or make you into Schalits," it said, referring to Sgt. Gilad Schalit who was seized by Hamas-affiliated militants 2-1/2 years ago and remains in captivity.





He's not so defiant anymore...

[RedXtcy]

maybe this is the reason that there are so many civilian casualties in Gaza...I think that if the bad guys didn't hide in refugee camps women and children wouldn't get killed..

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/01/israel.gaza/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

GAZA CITY (CNN) -- A leading commander of Hamas' military wing in Gaza was among 10 people killed Thursday in an Israeli airstrike on a Palestinian refugee camp, Hamas security and Palestinian medical sources said.


Nizar Rayan died when an Israeli missile hit his house in the Jabalya refugee camp, north of Gaza City.

The Israeli news organization Haaretz described Rayan as the most senior Hamas leader killed in Israel's six-day air offensive on Gaza. Haaretz described him as an "outspoken advocate of renewing suicide bombings against Israel."

The Palestinian television station Ramattan reported that several members of Rayan's family also were killed.

Video showed crowds of men shouting as they climbed mounds of debris searching for victims. The blast also damaged nearby buildings.

The Israel Defense Forces confirmed the airstrike on the camp but had no information about casualties. It said it is striking houses where weapons are stored.

Israel has been hammering targets in Gaza for six days, a bombardment Israel's prime minister vowed would not end until Hamas militants quit firing rockets into the Jewish state.

An overnight attack on the Palestinian parliament building gutted the structure.

Palestinian medical sources said 400 people have been killed in Gaza since the Israeli raids began Saturday, with 42 children, 13 women and two medical workers among the dead. In addition, 2,000 have been wounded, 216 critically, they said.

Israel launched the bombing campaign in an effort to halt the firing of rockets into southern Israel from the Hamas-ruled territory.

Four Israelis -- three of them civilians -- have been killed and 56 wounded by Palestinian rocket fire, police, military and medical officials have said.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's government rejected a French proposal for a humanitarian truce Wednesday.

"We did not enter this operation in order to end it with the firing still continuing," Olmert told his security Cabinet on Wednesday, according to a senior government official.

Palestinian sources said targets south, west and north of Gaza City were hit early Thursday. In addition to the legislative building, the ministries of justice and education and civil defense headquarters, to the city's west, were targeted by Israeli airstrikes. Video Watch people run in the aftermath of an Israeli airstrike »

Meanwhile, five rockets were launched into Israel, including two medium-range rockets that fell near the city of Beer Sheva, nearly 19 miles outside Gaza, the IDF reported. Video Watch how emergency responders have dealt with the crisis »

Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, whose office in Gaza was struck early Wednesday, said Israel needed to "stop attacking and killing our children, women and men."

"The aggression must stop, the crossings must open and the blockade must be lifted, and then we can talk about all other issues," he said in televised comments Wednesday. "Then we can start a national dialogue without any preset conditions."

But as the airstrikes and rocket fire continued, U.N. officials expressed concern for the situation in Gaza and in southern Israel.

"This is a very bloody operation, by anybody's standards, even by the standards of that part of the world," said John Holmes, the world body's undersecretary-general for humanitarian affairs and its emergency relief coordinator.
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Ambassadors held an emergency meeting to discuss a Libyan-sponsored draft resolution that calls for an immediate cease-fire in Gaza. The United States indicated the resolution wasn't balanced enough. Video Watch what emerged from the emergency meeting »

Though some trucks carrying humanitarian aid are being allowed into Gaza, no fuel has entered the territory since Monday. Holmes said hundreds of thousands have no power for up to 16 hours a day, and hospitals are relying on their backup generators constantly.
in america when someone takes hostages do we take a strong pro caution to make sure that no one else gets hurt? even when it is the persons family? we would never do this on what we believed to be our own land. and if we did we would be war criminals just like the israeli's.. they killed 2 of his wifes and 4 of his kids just to get the one guy.. imagine if we did that in the usa to criminals...

[Detroit Gearbox]

in America when someone takes hostages do we take a strong pro caution to make sure that no one else gets hurt? even when it is the persons family? we would never do this on what we believed to be our own land. and if we did we would be war criminals just like the Israeli's.. they killed 2 of his wife's and 4 of his kids just to get the one guy.. imagine if we did that in the usa to criminals...

Criminals, or someone that plots terror plots on and in the US? Someone that directs their followers to launch missiles on civilian population. I think the US would take out a mile square or larger to get their 1 guy...and their family.

[patman]

in america when someone takes hostages do we take a strong pro caution to make sure that no one else gets hurt? even when it is the persons family? we would never do this on what we believed to be our own land. and if we did we would be war criminals just like the israeli's.. they killed 2 of his wifes and 4 of his kids just to get the one guy.. imagine if we did that in the usa to criminals...

The point I was making is that how can you fight a conventional war when the enemy hides among his friends and family or in a refugee camp using those people as shields? when as high ranking government person does this, how do you expect anyone to react? If he was willing to put his family at risk than he should have been prepared for the possible outcome.

If you were that guy, would you put your family at risk like he did or would you get away from them to save them pain?

[RedXtcy]

Criminals, or someone that plots terror plots on and in the US? Someone that directs their followers to launch missiles on civilian population. I think the US would take out a mile square or larger to get their 1 guy...and their family.

then why didnt we nuke all of Afghanistan to get our biggest terrorist?

[RedXtcy]

The point I was making is that how can you fight a conventional war when the enemy hides among his friends and family or in a refugee camp using those people as shields? when as high ranking government person does this, how do you expect anyone to react? If he was willing to put his family at risk than he should have been prepared for the possible outcome.

If you were that guy, would you put your family at risk like he did or would you get away from them to save them pain?

i see the point but thats what ground troops are for... not 500lb bombs. the bombs should be used to take out infrastructure and defenses to allow ground troops to get that guy.. and truthfully they should at least try to arrest people and put them before court before going to "easy" route and bombing the whole building.

and me if i was that guy? i dunno if could ever have the guts really to be that guy and defey a nation like that knowing that will drop down to that level and commit terrorist acts and kill me and my family.

what hamas does is wrong but that is the only thing they can do.. they dont have the means to do it any other way. and with out a pal group that is a threat to israel they would have no room to bargain and they would be what hitler did to the jews. they have them in ghetto's now and do not let them advance. if they did not resist they would not even have gaza or have anywhere left to live in this world.

israel has been doing this to all pal groups for 60 years.. it didnt matter what kind of group it was at least this one trys to defend its self and gain things for its people with out just being killed like the rest.

[patman]

i see the point but thats what ground troops are for... not 500lb bombs. the bombs should be used to take out infrastructure and defenses to allow ground troops to get that guy.. and truthfully they should at least try to arrest people and put them before court before going to "easy" route and bombing the whole building.

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all's fair in love and war....

[RedXtcy]

all's fair in love and war....
edit it was a 2000lb bomb that they dropped on his house. and here are just 2 of the "terrorists" they killed http://motownmuscle.com/forums/files/1714495dc446dff67.jpg
but its ok since its war.

[jsxtreme]

By Nidal al-Mughrabi

GAZA (Reuters) - Palestinian Islamists vowed revenge on Israel on Friday for killing a senior Hamas leader and his family, and said all options including suicide bombs were now open to "strike at Zionist interests everywhere."

There was no sign of a ceasefire on the seventh day of the conflict, in which at least 424 Palestinians have been killed and 2,000 wounded. Four Israelis have been killed by Palestinian rockets.

Israel pressed on relentlessly with more than 30 air strikes, one of which killed three Palestinian children aged between eight and 12 as they played on a street near the town of Khan Yunis in the south of the Strip. One was decapitated.

"These injuries are not survivable injuries," said Madth Gilbert, a Norwegian doctor at Gaza's Shifa hospital who could not save another boy who had both feet blown off. "This is a murder. This is a child," he said.

Islamist fighters fired rockets at Israel's port of Ashkelon one of which blew out windows in an apartment building.

In Gaza City, a lucky few hundred foreign passport holders boarded buses in the pre-dawn murk to quit the Strip, with the help of the International Committee off the Red Cross, their governments and Israeli compliance.

"The situation is very bad. We are afraid for our children," said Ilona Hamdiya, a woman from Moldova married to a Palestinian. "We are very grateful to our embassy."

They left behind 1.5 million Palestinians unable to escape the conflict, a city facing another day of bombs, missiles, flickering electricity, queues for bread, taped-up windows and streets littered with broken glass and debris.

"We will not rest until we destroy the Zionist entity," said Hamas leader Fathi Hammad at the funeral of Nizar Rayyan, who was killed along with four wives and 11 children by an Israeli missile which hit his house on Thursday.

Spokesman Ismail Rudwan said that "following this crime, all options are now open including martyrdom operations to deter the aggression and to strike Zionist interests everywhere."

PROTESTS TURN VIOLENT

Bracing for protests and retaliatory violence, Israel sealed off the occupied West Bank to deny entry to most Palestinians and beefed up security at checkpoints.

There were protests by Palestinians in major West Bank cities. In Ramallah, Hamas supporters scuffled with the Fatah faction of Western-backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, taunting them as "collaborators." Elsewhere, protesters stoned soldiers at checkpoints and some were wounded by rubber bullets.

In the Jordanian capital, Amman, riot police fired teargas to disperse hundreds of protesters marching on the Israeli embassy, chanting: "No Jewish embassy on Arab land."

A statement from Gaza by Hamas spokesman Ismail Rudwan said Israel's "terrorism, massacre and holocaust will not break us and will not force us to raise a white flag ... killing begets killing and destruction begets destruction....snip....



Whats so hard to understand here? Don't shoot Rockets into Israel, and there will be no bombings.

[RedXtcy]

Whats so hard to understand here? Don't shoot Rockets into Israel, and there will be no bombings.
you think its that simple cause thats what our media tells us.... shooting "missles" well the us atf classificaion is firearms if those were in the usa. is the only way to get on the table with those people..

they did not fire a rocket for six months and it got them nothing they were not allowed aid in nor fuel or food.. after this they might but if they never fought they would have nothing.

not everyone will let themselfs be like the jews in ww2... these people fight back they wont just let you do all this stuff to them and agree to be killed they will at least put up a fight.

[patman]

edit it was a 2000lb bomb that they dropped on his house. and here are just 2 of the "terrorists" they killed http://motownmuscle.com/forums/files/1714495dc446dff67.jpg
but its ok since its war.

It's sad for the children for sure, but unfortunately that's what happens in war. War is a terrible thing. That's why it should be a last resort. But once you're there, you go all out. The innocent have ALWAYS suffered in war. I'm not trying to dismiss it and just shrug my shoulders, but it's just fact. If you're not going to win, what's the point of even trying?

Here's verse from the Bible that says it all..

Luke 14 31-32
31. "Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand?
32. If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace"


I think the Pals have let their emotion get in the way of common sense

[wikdsvt]

FROM THE MOUTH OF A HAMAS LEADER'S SON:



Son of Hamas Leader Gives Glimpse Into Terror Organization

Friday, January 02, 2009


As Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other world leaders try to broker a cease-fire agreement between Israel and Hamas, one former member of the militant Islamic organization said there will never be lasting peace between the two groups.

"There is no chance. Is there any chance for fire to co-exist with the water?" said Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of one of the group's founding members.

Yousef added: "It's not about Israel, it's not about Hamas: it's about both ideologies."

Yousef, son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, one of the most influential leaders of the militant group, said the organization betrays the Palestinian cause and tortures its own members.

Hamas, formed in the late 1980's as an outgrowth of the Palestinian branch of the radical Muslim Brotherhood, is considered a terror organization by the U.S. government. Hamas seized power in the Gaza strip in 2007 in a violent coup against the more moderate Palestinian Authority led by Mahmoud Abbas.

Yousef said he was indoctrinated at an early age to use violence to challenge Israeli control in the region. As a teenager he moved up within the organization and became the leader of the radical Islamic Youth Movement that fought Israeli tanks and troops in the streets, celebrated suicide bombings and recruited young men to the cause.
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Yousef, 30, said he realized the true nature of Hamas and radical Islam during a stint in an Israeli prison. He renounced his Muslim faith, left his family behind in Ramallah and converted to Christianity.

"Islam is not the word of God," said Yousef. "If you want to be offended it's your problem. But you know something? Go study. Think for a second that I might be right. So wake up, look at your path, see where you're going. Are you really going to heaven with 72 virgins after you kill yourself and kill another 20 people?"

Yousef has sought asylum in the United States and now attends an evangelical Christian church on Barabbas Road in San Diego, Calif.

"The Hamas leadership, including my father, they're responsible; they're responsible for all the violence that happened from the organization. I know they describe it as reaction to Israeli aggression, but still, they are part of it and they had to make decisions in those operations against Israel (for) which there was the killing of many civilians."

Yousef talks more about his extraordinary story of faith, courage, violence and betrayal in a FOX News documentary, "Escape From Hamas," hosted by Bill Hemmer.

Escape from Hamas airs Sat at 10p, with repeats at 1am and 4a, EST, and Sun at 9pm, with repeats at 12 midnight, 2am, EST.


Brave man to speak so harshly against something he was brought up to believe in.

[patman]

may God protect and bless that man :cheers:

[RSWANNABE]

may God protect and bless that man :cheers:

Second that motion

[TTA]

may God protect and bless that man :cheers:

X3
That guy must have the Secret Service protecting him, he's got a target on his back the size of TX.

[wikdsvt]

not everyone will let themselfs be like the jews in ww2... these people fight back they wont just let you do all this stuff to them and agree to be killed they will at least put up a fight.

Oh the IRONY of your statement.

[wikdsvt]

you think its that simple cause thats what our media tells us.... shooting "missles" well the us atf classificaion is firearms if those were in the usa. is the only way to get on the table with those people..

they did not fire a rocket for six months and it got them nothing they were not allowed aid in nor fuel or food.. after this they might but if they never fought they would have nothing.
.

6 months of not having jets bombing the hell out of you definitely something.
6 months of smuggling food, medicine, weapons through tunnels is something.

Look Hamas decided not to renew the peace treaty, not Israel. Hamas was getting an itchy trigger finger (no pun intended) and wanted to get attention. well they got Israel's attention, in a BIG way.

Hamas stop attacking Israel and Israel will stop.

[Foolsgold80z]

they did not fire a rocket for six months and it got them nothing they were not allowed aid in nor fuel or food.. after this they might but if they never fought they would have nothing.

BS. First, there were rockets being fired over the entire period, just not in large numbers. Second, does not Egypt control a border into Gaza? Why then did the
Arab countries not see to the humanitarian needs of their "brothers" through
that access point during this time of "peace"? Maybe there isn't enough room for food and medicine to pass through the supply tunnels while they're full of munitions?
Hmmmmm..........

[dpmcghee]

edit it was a 2000lb bomb that they dropped on his house. and here are just 2 of the "terrorists" they killed http://motownmuscle.com/forums/files/1714495dc446dff67.jpg
but its ok since its war.

This is stupid. So, should we start posting pictures of all the dead people resulting from Islamic militants lobbing rockets over the border in Israel?

There is ZERO moral equivalency between the state of Israel and a rogue, terrorist organization like Hamas. On the one hand you have Israel, a sovereign nation, defending itself like any other nation would. On the other hand, you have an organization that breeds hatred and raises thugs who blow themselves up just to kill innocent by-standers.

Here is the BIG difference between these two - when Israel attacks, it mourns the loss of innocent lives. It is not the intention to kill women and children. However, Hamas and other Islamic militants REJOICE when they kill innocent Israelis. It is their goal because they know this creates widespread fear.

[dpmcghee]

BS. First, there were rockets being fired over the entire period, just not in large numbers. Hmmmmm..........


Exactly. They never completely stopped lobbing rockets into areas of innocent people. This argument of his is just stupid and ridiculous.

The point here is that Israel finally said "enough is enough. You're not going to continue to kill our people without us killing your people."

And now that Israel has sent a serious message, they Palestinians are crying about it and attempting to spin the whole issue to make Israel look like the bad guy. But this is nothing new. Its the same old tactic being used by radical Islamics for years.

[patman]

Exactly.

And now that Israel has sent a serious message, they Palestinians are crying about it and attempting to spin the whole issue to make Israel look like the bad guy. But this is nothing new. Its the same old tactic being used by radical Islamics for years.

The funny thing is the news media is playing right into it...as usual :punchball

[RedXtcy]

FROM THE MOUTH OF A HAMAS LEADER'S SON:





Brave man to speak so harshly against something he was brought up to believe in.

he has since converted from sunni muslim to envengitial christian... i don't know what one is worse :lol:

[RedXtcy]

BS. First, there were rockets being fired over the entire period, just not in large numbers. Second, does not Egypt control a border into Gaza? Why then did the
Arab countries not see to the humanitarian needs of their "brothers" through
that access point during this time of "peace"? Maybe there isn't enough room for food and medicine to pass through the supply tunnels while they're full of munitions?
Hmmmmm..........
cause most arab nations have a zionest agenda... egypt sudia arabia and jordan...

[RedXtcy]

This is stupid. So, should we start posting pictures of all the dead people resulting from Islamic militants lobbing rockets over the border in Israel?

There is ZERO moral equivalency between the state of Israel and a rogue, terrorist organization like Hamas. On the one hand you have Israel, a sovereign nation, defending itself like any other nation would. On the other hand, you have an organization that breeds hatred and raises thugs who blow themselves up just to kill innocent by-standers.

Here is the BIG difference between these two - when Israel attacks, it mourns the loss of innocent lives. It is not the intention to kill women and children. However, Hamas and other Islamic militants REJOICE when they kill innocent Israelis. It is their goal because they know this creates widespread fear.
it must of been pure luck that out of the 4 isreal's killed durring this war 1 was a solider they were only aiming for civilians..

but what are the total numbers 400+ dead pals to 4 dead israeli's... and they have over 70 woman and childern killed.. they wont count any man as a civilian though.

and hamas has not carried out a suicide attack in 4 years.

[RedXtcy]

6 months of not having jets bombing the hell out of you definitely something.
6 months of smuggling food, medicine, weapons through tunnels is something.

Look Hamas decided not to renew the peace treaty, not Israel. Hamas was getting an itchy trigger finger (no pun intended) and wanted to get attention. well they got Israel's attention, in a BIG way.

Hamas stop attacking Israel and Israel will stop.
they did not renew the peace treaty since it was getting them no where.

[RedXtcy]

Oh the IRONY of your statement.
it goes both ways... they kicked them out and forced them to ghetto's and restricted what they can have.. sounds like hitler to me... is it the pals fault for fighting for what they belive is theirs...

[RedXtcy]

The funny thing is the news media is playing right into it...as usual :punchball
no not really our media is very WITH gaza being destroyed..

[RedXtcy]

This is stupid. So, should we start posting pictures of all the dead people resulting from Islamic militants lobbing rockets over the border in Israel?

There is ZERO moral equivalency between the state of Israel and a rogue, terrorist organization like Hamas. On the one hand you have Israel, a sovereign nation, defending itself like any other nation would. On the other hand, you have an organization that breeds hatred and raises thugs who blow themselves up just to kill innocent by-standers.

Here is the BIG difference between these two - when Israel attacks, it mourns the loss of innocent lives. It is not the intention to kill women and children. However, Hamas and other Islamic militants REJOICE when they kill innocent Israelis. It is their goal because they know this creates widespread fear.
yea you really know nothing about israel... they kill innocent on purpose to prove a point and punish people for their choice in government.. just like the pals do to them..

they have said that if they are attacked from anywhere in south lebanon they will level the whole town if 1 rocket is fired at them.. they like to strike fear into people just like terrorists that they are.

[lab1702]

no not really our media is very WITH gaza being destroyed..

While showing Gaza being dark because of power outage, and war damage on a building, CNN was playing the kind of background music that is designed to make you feel bad for whoever is on screen.

[RedXtcy]

While showing Gaza being dark because of power outage, and war damage on a building, CNN was playing the kind of background music that is designed to make you feel bad for whoever is on screen.
was not the case the past 6 days.. well maybe after at least 425 killed and 2000 wounded they want someone to feel bad for a few seconds.. i mean they did drop a 2000lb bomb (that cost 300k) on a hamas guys house when a 500lber would have done the job just fine with out destroying the whole block (and i know this cause my boss works on bombs for the air force).

but hey whats wrong with them spending 300k on one bomb for one person... i mean its only our tax money that pays for it.

[TTA]

and hamas has not carried out a suicide attack in 4 years.

Oh boy lets just jump for joy there... 4 whole years that the IDF has kept this particular bunch of nut jobs at bay.
If Israel were to open it's boarders and allow free unfetterd travel to and fro like we do between our states El Al's fleet would be blown out of the sky in a day and there wouldn't be a shopping arcade, nightclub or pizzeria standing in all if Israel within a week.
Yep Israel is just looking to keep the Palestinians down. :icon_roll

[RedXtcy]

Oh boy lets just jump for joy there... 4 whole years that the IDF has kept this particular bunch of nut jobs at bay.
If Israel were to open it's boarders and allow free unfetterd travel to and fro like we do between our states El Al's fleet would be blown out of the sky in a day and there wouldn't be a shopping arcade, nightclub or pizzeria standing in all if Israel within a week.
Yep Israel is just looking to keep the Palestinians down. :icon_roll
it doesnt take much to strap a bomb to your self (just an order).... if you really think the idf's policies have anything to do with it your are sadly mistaken.

[RedXtcy]

http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp

31 Dec. '08: Suspicion: bombed truck carried oxygen tanks and not grad rockets

On 29 December '08 the Israeli army bombed a truck in Gaza City, claiming it carried Grad rockets, designated for attacks on Israel. Drone footage of the bombing was shown by the Israeli army.

B’Tselem received the testimony of Ahmad Sanur, the owner of the truck bombed. Sanur claims the truck was carrying oxygen canisters used for welding, not Grad rockets. B'Tselem field worker took photos of oxygen canisters left on the site of the bombing.

According to Sanur’s testimony, he and members of his family were trying to salvage material from a metal workshop he owns, which was next door to a bombed house, in order to prevent looting. He denies any connection to militants, or military activity, and is willing to talk to any journalist, or investigator.

Photo from Army footage of the loading of the truck and photo of the oxygen canisters left next to the truck taken by B'Tselem fieldworker.
Photo from Army footage of the loading of the truck and photo of the oxygen canisters left next to the truck taken by B'Tselem fieldworker.
http://www.btselem.org/Shared/Images/Photos/20081229_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.jpg
8 people were killed in the bombing, including his son. Two were severely wounded (names may have different spelling):

Muhammad bassel Madi, 17
Wisam Akram ‘Eid, 14
‘Imad Ahmad Sanur, 32
Rami Sa’adi Ghabayan, 24
Mahmoud Nabil Ghabayan, 14
Ashraf a-Dabagh, 26
Muhammad Majed Ka’abar, 20
Ahmad Ibrahim Khila, 15

Two were severely injured:

Bilal Suheil Ghabayan, 19
Baha Suheil Ghabayan, 16
good intel :rolleyes:

[RSWANNABE]

So with the massive amount of bombing and destruction caused by Israel wouldn't you say that they have done a good job of targeting non civilian areas? If as you suggest they were targeting civilians wouldn't the death toll be exponentially larger?

Whereas when the other side attacks it is completely the opposite form of attack where civilians are usually the target, no research is being done and it is only killing and fear factor that is being established?


Just asking

[Foolsgold80z]

Bottom line. The Pals are fucked because their Arab "brothers" wish them to
be fucked. If Hezbollah involves themselves in this round, I foresee Israel
hitting them beyond what they have ever known before.

[Foolsgold80z]

The ground invasion has begun. Appears that they are going to get some
specific targets first off. See ya, wouldn't want to be ya.

[wikdsvt]

why isn't hamas attacking EGYPT since it closed its borders?

[wikdsvt]

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israeli troops began moving into Gaza on Saturday night, intent on taking out Hamas rocket-launching sites, Israel Defense Forces said.
Israeli tanks fire shells toward Gaza as evening falls Saturday.

Israeli tanks fire shells toward Gaza as evening falls Saturday.
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"We have just a short while ago launched the second stage of the operation against Hamas infrastructure," IDF spokeswoman Maj. Avital Leibovich told CNN.

"The goal is to try and take over some of those launching areas that were responsible for the many launches -- the thousands of launches, in fact -- toward the Israeli civilians," she said.

Reacting to the incursion, chief negotiator for the Palestinian Authority Saeb Erakat said: "What this will do is undermine the peace process." The Palestinian Authority is the government of President Mahmoud Abbas.

Abbas, who also is a member of Hamas's rival Fatah party, dissolved Gaza's Hamas-led government and declared a state of emergency in 2007. Hamas took control of the territory shortly afterward.

"We will defeat the army just like they were defeated before," Abu Thaer, spokesman for the military wing of Fatah -- the al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades -- told the television network Al Jazeera.

"We will rub their noses in the sand. To the Arabs of 1948, today it is the time to act, to carry martyrdom operations in the heart of Israel. In case they will get in really on the ground, they will be taught a lesson that they will never forget. The Israeli army is the loser from ground operations in Gaza.

"They claim that the Palestinian resistance was hit, but we say that the resistance will not be defeated, and we will not receive them with roses. We will receive them with bombs and that will not stop, God willing," Thaer said.

Before the incursion, the Israelis used artillery for the first time in the eight-day-old conflict when Israeli tanks fired shells into Gaza from the northern and eastern borders.

Troops had been massed along the border since the IDF began its bombardment of the Hamas-controlled Palestinian territory December 27. Video Watch the conflict unfold on both sides »

Leaflets signed by the commander of the Israeli military were dropped over northern Gaza on Saturday morning, warning residents to "leave the area immediately" to ensure their safety.

"We are trying to be as humane as possible," Leibovich said. "... The civilians are not our target. We are looking only at militants, Hamas militants."

Exiled Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal promised bloodshed if Israeli ground troops enter Gaza.

"As for you, the soldiers of the enemy whose leadership are getting you ready to enter Gaza in a ground attack, you need to know that doom will await you and you will be killed, injured and captured," Meshaal, speaking in Syria, said on the Al Jazeera television network Friday.

"If the enemy got into Gaza, our people will fight from one street to the next, from one house to the other, and on every inch of the land." Find out who's who on each side »

An Israeli airstrike hit a mosque in the northern Gaza village of Beit Lahiya on Saturday evening, killing 13 people and wounding 60, according to Palestinian medical sources. Video Watch the chaos after the mosque attack »


An Israeli attack earlier Saturday killed Azkariah al-Jamal, the commander of Gaza City's rocket-launching squads, Palestinian and IDF sources said.

Another airstrike killed two Hamas militants in Khan Yunis, in southern Gaza, Palestinian officials said.

Leibovich said Hamas militants had launched 20 rockets from Gaza into Israel by late afternoon Saturday. Learn about the background of the conflict »

Rockets set a house on fire in Ashkelon, damaged a kibbutz dining hall and slightly wounded two people in an eight-story building in Ashdod, according to Israeli ambulance services.

"We still see that Hamas is targeting Israeli civilians. Namely, we still did not reach the goal of crippling Hamas' launching capabilities," Leibovich said.

"We still have many more targets to go," she added.

An IDF statement said Israeli missiles fired from jets and ships hit 25 Hamas "outposts, training camps and rocket launching sites" Saturday morning. Video Watch explosions in Gaza »

The houses of two alleged Hamas terror operatives were also hit, the IDF said.

One, it said, was the home of Azadin Hadad, described as the head of the Hamas military group in eastern Gaza City.

The other, in Beit Lahiya, was used to store rocket-launching equipment and was the home of Ismail Renam, who "has a central role in the launching of Grad-type rockets against Israel," the IDF said.

Grad-type rockets have a longer range than the rudimentary Qassam rockets Hamas more commonly uses.
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Israeli officials say four people have been killed and 59 wounded in Hamas rocket attacks in the past week.

Palestinian medical sources said Saturday that at least 435 people have been killed and 2,285 wounded in Gaza.

anyone see the difference between HAMAS and ISRAEL?
ISRAEL warns before the attacks so civilians can leave. hamas targets Israeli civilians.

[ReiKo]

This is going to get very ugly... In more ways then one...

[RedXtcy]

anyone see the difference between HAMAS and ISRAEL?
ISRAEL warns before the attacks so civilians can leave. hamas targets Israeli civilians.
hamas sent text msgs to israeli civilians... they dont have the resoursces like israel.

[RedXtcy]

A Palestinian child was killed by Israeli tank fire in Gaza, becoming the first victim of a ground offensive against the Hamas stronghold, medics said.

nice

[ReiKo]

anyone see the difference between HAMAS and ISRAEL?
ISRAEL warns before the attacks so civilians can leave. hamas targets Israeli civilians.

How do you figure this???

Your math is way off...

[RedXtcy]

Bottom line. The Pals are fucked because their Arab "brothers" wish them to
be fucked. If Hezbollah involves themselves in this round, I foresee Israel
hitting them beyond what they have ever known before.
hez will sit this one out let the other people try to see if they can accomplish what they did. they are still building they are not yet ready for a good fight.

[ReiKo]

Hezbollah isn't going to do shit... They are more worried about Sheba Farms then anything else... Hezbollah isn't going to do anything...

[RSWANNABE]

A Palestinian child was killed by Israeli tank fire in Gaza, becoming the first victim of a ground offensive against the Hamas stronghold, medics said.
nice

What did you expect?

YouTube - Hamas admits it uses human shields


The following is the full text of the comments by Hamas representative Fathi Hamad: "For the Palestinian people death became an industry, at which women excel and so do all people on this land: the elderly excel, the Jihad fighters excel, and the children excel. Accordingly [Palestinians] created a human shield of women, children, the elderly and the Jihad fighters against the Zionist bombing machine, as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: We desire death as you desire life."

[dpmcghee]

he has since converted from sunni muslim to envengitial christian... i don't know what one is worse :lol:

Well, this just shows your throughly, complete bias. This statement can simply be added to several of the other stupid statements you've made in this thread.

Christians all over the world go into the most god-forsaken places to bring hope and peace. More humanitarian work is accomplished and funded by Evangelical Christian people than any other societal group in the world.

Muslims all over the world attempt to go into beautiful, peaceful, modernized places to bring death, mayhem, and slavery to their way of life.

These are the facts. You can seek to distort them, twist them, deny them, but they are what they are.

[patman]

hamas sent text msgs to israeli civilians... they dont have the resoursces like israel.

this is humor right?

[patman]

Well, this just shows your throughly, complete bias. This statement can simply be added to several of the other stupid statements you've made in this thread.

Christians all over the world go into the most god-forsaken places to bring hope and peace. More humanitarian work is accomplished and funded by Evangelical Christian people than any other societal group in the world.

Muslims all over the world attempt to go into beautiful, peaceful, modernized places to bring death, mayhem, and slavery to their way of life.

These are the facts. You can seek to distort them, twist them, deny them, but they are what they are.

X2

[patman]

What did you expect?

YouTube - Hamas admits it uses human shields (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs)

"as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: We desire death as you desire life."

If that's true, looks like they're going to get what they want....

[tonez]

but what are the total numbers 400+ dead pals to 4 dead israeli's...

perfect example of why you don't fuck with the guy who has the bigger stick