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    Not going to get into a dick measuring contest regarding educational background......But since someone brought it up......I win, trust me

    Now as for the unit of measurement "mil". IT IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE RELATED TO MILLIMETERS! People that use the term "mil" in reference to "millimeters" are just lazy. It's no different than punk kids saying "late" instead of "later".

    1 mil is equal to .001", end of story. But since there is obviously some confusion, I will explain further.

    The unit "mil", is used to measure thickness, specifcally coatings (paints, etc.) and films. Hell its even used for garbage bag thicknesses. You mean to tell me that if you looked at a box of garbage bags and read "1.4 mils", you would think that those bags were 1.4 millimeters thick? Man, I hope not. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickLX View Post
    Not going to get into a dick measuring contest regarding educational background......But since someone brought it up......I win, trust me

    Now as for the unit of measurement "mil". IT IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE RELATED TO MILLIMETERS! People that use the term "mil" in reference to "millimeters" are just lazy. It's no different than punk kids saying "late" instead of "later".

    1 mil is equal to .001", end of story. But since there is obviously some confusion, I will explain further.

    The unit "mil", is used to measure thickness, specifcally coatings (paints, etc.) and films. Hell its even used for garbage bag thicknesses. You mean to tell me that if you looked at a box of garbage bags and read "1.4 mils", you would think that those bags were 1.4 millimeters thick? Man, I hope not. LOL
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    Ask a machinist to cut a mil off a part and see how much is gone when you get it back. I am going to guarantee you it won't be 0.001". Or ask a machine builder to take a mil of shim out, the adjustment won't be 0.001" either. Think what you want and keep reading and referencing your books but in the tool and die / manufacturing industry that actually build something 1 mil = 1 millimeter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickLX View Post
    1 mil is equal to .001", end of story. But since there is obviously some confusion, I will explain further.

    The unit "mil", is used to measure thickness, specifcally coatings (paints, etc.) and films. Hell its even used for garbage bag thicknesses. You mean to tell me that if you looked at a box of garbage bags and read "1.4 mils", you would think that those bags were 1.4 millimeters thick? Man, I hope not. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbolt9 View Post
    Ask a machinist to cut a mil off a part and see how much is gone when you get it back. I am going to guarantee you it won't be 0.001". Or ask a machine builder to take a mil of shim out, the adjustment won't be 0.001" either. Think what you want and keep reading and referencing your books but in the tool and die / manufacturing industry that actually build something 1 mil = 1 millimeter.

    That is all.
    Ok, you need to understand that your life experiences as grand and unique as they may seem to you, really aren't that rare or significant when looking at the big picture. So, please also understand that the things you say can be used against you in the support of another's defense as they may too have similar experiences.

    So, with that being said..... I deal directly with those in tool and die on a daily basis (My familiy has been in the field for nealry 70 years). For one, if you bring something to them in Millimeters, they are likely to cut your nuts off. Secondly, for the most part I don't believe it would be good practice to go to a machinist and verbally ask for an amount in any unit to be removed from a detail or part. This is just asking for problems and this is why prints are used. Also, you will never see on ANY print, the unit "mil" used for a dimensional call-out. Again, it is for thicknesses of paints, films, etc., that is it.

    The problem here is, you are taking field (more likely to be shop or person to person) specific slang and trying to give it a factual basis that supports your arguement in an effort to save face. Not working BTW.

    The more you argue about this, it just keeps solidifying the fact that you had and have no clue about the term "mil", it's relavent usage, or the topic which you felt compelled to comment on.

    Just stating facts here, so let it go and stop cluttering a decent thread with misleading information.

    BTW 1mm = 1 Millimeter, 1 mil = .001 inch, 1 mil = 25.4 = Micrometers, etc., but 1 mil will never = 1mm or 1 Millimeter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickLX View Post
    Ok, you need to understand that your life experiences as grand and unique as they may seem to you, really aren't that rare or significant when looking at the big picture. So, please also understand that the things you say can be used against you in the support of another's defense as they may too have similar experiences.

    So, with that being said..... I deal directly with those in tool and die on a daily basis (My familiy has been in the field for nealry 70 years). For one, if you bring something to them in Millimeters, they are likely to cut your nuts off. Secondly, for the most part I don't believe it would be good practice to go to a machinist and verbally ask for an amount in any unit to be removed from a detail or part. This is just asking for problems and this is why prints are used. Also, you will never see on ANY print, the unit "mil" used for a dimensional call-out. Again, it is for thicknesses of paints, films, etc., that is it.

    The problem here is, you are taking field (more likely to be shop or person to person) specific slang and trying to give it a factual basis that supports your arguement in an effort to save face. Not working BTW.

    The more you argue about this, it just keeps solidifying the fact that you had and have no clue about the term "mil", it's relavent usage, or the topic which you felt compelled to comment on.

    Just stating facts here, so let it go and stop cluttering a decent thread with misleading information.

    BTW 1mm = 1 Millimeter, 1 mil = .001 inch, 1 mil = 25.4 = Micrometers, etc., but 1 mil will never = 1mm or 1 Millimeter.

    Laughing....This is why I pastd all the links above. Somebody that doesn't know any better thinks this guy is right and makes himself look like a clown when he says it later.......damn misinformation!

    Thanks Steve and really well written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickLX View Post
    Ok, you need to understand that your life experiences as grand and unique as they may seem to you, really aren't that rare or significant when looking at the big picture. So, please also understand that the things you say can be used against you in the support of another's defense as they may too have similar experiences.

    So, with that being said..... I deal directly with those in tool and die on a daily basis (My familiy has been in the field for nealry 70 years). For one, if you bring something to them in Millimeters, they are likely to cut your nuts off. Secondly, for the most part I don't believe it would be good practice to go to a machinist and verbally ask for an amount in any unit to be removed from a detail or part. This is just asking for problems and this is why prints are used. Also, you will never see on ANY print, the unit "mil" used for a dimensional call-out. Again, it is for thicknesses of paints, films, etc., that is it.

    The problem here is, you are taking field (more likely to be shop or person to person) specific slang and trying to give it a factual basis that supports your arguement in an effort to save face. Not working BTW.

    The more you argue about this, it just keeps solidifying the fact that you had and have no clue about the term "mil", it's relavent usage, or the topic which you felt compelled to comment on.

    Just stating facts here, so let it go and stop cluttering a decent thread with misleading information.

    BTW 1mm = 1 Millimeter, 1 mil = .001 inch, 1 mil = 25.4 = Micrometers, etc., but 1 mil will never = 1mm or 1 Millimeter.
    Apparently we won't come to an agreement on this because I have never heard 1 mil used to describe 0.001" in the tool and die or machine building industries. Argue all you want about what is appropriate but I live in the real world.

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